Do you think 18 was holding back fighting Mighty Mask?

[Mireya]

When 18 was fighting Trunks and Goten whom were in that costume, do you think she held back some power, much power... Or used FP?

[Seekeroftruth]

Yes since she taught that Mighty Mask was a human fighter and it would be foolish for her to go all out and get disqualified. Her goal was to win the prize money.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yes since she taught that Mighty Mask was a human fighter and it would be foolish for her to go all out and get disqualified. Her goal was to win the prize money.

But if she went all out, the fight would end sooner and she’d get her prize money faster.

Personally, I think she was just in no hurry and curious to see Mighty Mask’s power.

[Seekeroftruth]

Yes since she taught that Mighty Mask was a human fighter and it would be foolish for her to go all out and get disqualified. Her goal was to win the prize money.

But if she went all out, the fight would end sooner and she’d get her prize money faster.

Personally, I think she was just in no hurry and curious to see Mighty Mask’s power.

If she went all out she could kill the guy. 18 had one of the least control when it came to her strength, which the punching bag showed.

[Bloodthroe]

Clarification: If 18 killed her opponent, she would be disqualified from winning the tournament.

It makes sense that she would hold back until she knew who she was fighting.

[Yuji]

No, and the story makes it abundantly clear that Goten and Trunks are more than strong enough to kill her. Trunks thinks a full power blast will kill her, 18 is shocked and scared and resorts to revealing their identity, Gohan and Vegeta are compared to the kids, Piccolo is shocked by their strength, and now in Super we see the kids handling multiple Cell Jrs. at once.

Everything points toward the kids being relative to the adults at this stage, which is far beyond 18.

[Mireya]

No, and the story makes it abundantly clear that Goten and Trunks are more than strong enough to kill her. Trunks thinks a full power blast will kill her, 18 is shocked and scared and resorts to revealing their identity, Gohan and Vegeta are compared to the kids, Piccolo is shocked by their strength, and now in Super we see the kids handling multiple Cell Jrs. at once.

Everything points toward the kids being relative to the adults at this stage, which is far beyond 18.

This is about her fight vs them before turning into a SSJ.

[Yuji]

No, and the story makes it abundantly clear that Goten and Trunks are more than strong enough to kill her. Trunks thinks a full power blast will kill her, 18 is shocked and scared and resorts to revealing their identity, Gohan and Vegeta are compared to the kids, Piccolo is shocked by their strength, and now in Super we see the kids handling multiple Cell Jrs. at once.

Everything points toward the kids being relative to the adults at this stage, which is far beyond 18.

This is about her fight vs them before turning into a SSJ.

In that case, she was. Base Saiyans are weaker than Namek Freeza by BoG at the very least.

[Mireya]

No, and the story makes it abundantly clear that Goten and Trunks are more than strong enough to kill her. Trunks thinks a full power blast will kill her, 18 is shocked and scared and resorts to revealing their identity, Gohan and Vegeta are compared to the kids, Piccolo is shocked by their strength, and now in Super we see the kids handling multiple Cell Jrs. at once.

Everything points toward the kids being relative to the adults at this stage, which is far beyond 18.

This is about her fight vs them before turning into a SSJ.

In that case, she was. Base Saiyans are weaker than Namek Freeza by BoG at the very least.

I think there's enough evidence in the manga to make that questionable.

[Goku9001]

I think she was at full power. She already acknowledged them as being strong and had enough time to ramp things up just by clashing with them.

[Seekeroftruth]

I think she was at full power. She already acknowledged them as being strong and had enough time to ramp things up just by clashing with them.

She also acknowledge vegeta being strong before beating him down. Jiren also acknowledge vegeta's strength before one shotting him. A figher acknowledging another does not mean they are close in strength.

[Goku9001]

I think she was at full power. She already acknowledged them as being strong and had enough time to ramp things up just by clashing with them.

She also acknowledge vegeta being strong before beating him down. Jiren also acknowledge vegeta's strength before one shotting him. A figher acknowledging another does not mean they are close in strength.

She claimed Vegeta was nothing special. Jiren also made it clear that Vegeta couldn't beat him so that's a pretty moot point.

[Seekeroftruth]

I think she was at full power. She already acknowledged them as being strong and had enough time to ramp things up just by clashing with them.

She also acknowledge vegeta being strong before beating him down. Jiren also acknowledge vegeta's strength before one shotting him. A figher acknowledging another does not mean they are close in strength.

She claimed Vegeta was nothing special. Jiren also made it clear that Vegeta couldn't beat him so that's a pretty moot point.

She also claim he was strong. Jiren claim so as well. We have many example of weaker fighters being complimented by stronger fighters, this is the point.

[Goku9001]

She also acknowledge vegeta being strong before beating him down. Jiren also acknowledge vegeta's strength before one shotting him. A figher acknowledging another does not mean they are close in strength.

She claimed Vegeta was nothing special. Jiren also made it clear that Vegeta couldn't beat him so that's a pretty moot point.

She also claim he was strong. Jiren claim so as well. We have many example of weaker fighters being complimented by stronger fighters, this is the point.

You didn't address what I said. Jiren was clearly not concerned about Vegeta's strength since he declared that he would win even when Vegeta had Goku and Android 17 on his side. There is no instance where Android 18 was completely confident in winning until Goten and Trunks exposed themselves. The only time Android 18 claimed Vegeta was strong was when she claimed he was strong relative to a human-like race. Within the same statement, she claims Vegeta's nothing special.

Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P10.2-4, P11.1
Context: after continuing to fight No.18
Vegeta: “This is really starting to annoy me. You act as if nothing’s happened…”
No.18: “I’m surprised. To think that a flesh-and-blood human could be so good, even if you are an alien. Is this man called ‘Son Goku’ even stronger?”
Vegeta: “Don’t kid yourself. He may have temporarily slipped by me, but now things have returned to normal and I should be on top again.”
No.18: “What? So you’re nothing special. Either of you.”

[Seekeroftruth]

She claimed Vegeta was nothing special. Jiren also made it clear that Vegeta couldn't beat him so that's a pretty moot point.

She also claim he was strong. Jiren claim so as well. We have many example of weaker fighters being complimented by stronger fighters, this is the point.

You didn't address what I said. Jiren was clearly not concerned about Vegeta's strength since he declared that he would win even when Vegeta had Goku and Android 17 on his side. There is no instance where Android 18 was completely confident in winning until Goten and Trunks exposed themselves. The only time Android 18 claimed Vegeta was strong was when she claimed he was strong relative to a human-like race. Within the same statement, she claims Vegeta's nothing special.

Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P10.2-4, P11.1
Context: after continuing to fight No.18
Vegeta: “This is really starting to annoy me. You act as if nothing’s happened…”
No.18: “I’m surprised. To think that a flesh-and-blood human could be so good, even if you are an alien. Is this man called ‘Son Goku’ even stronger?”
Vegeta: “Don’t kid yourself. He may have temporarily slipped by me, but now things have returned to normal and I should be on top again.”
No.18: “What? So you’re nothing special. Either of you.”

I did address. My point was this.

- Stronger fighters have complimented weaker fighters on their strength even when said fighter is of no concern to them. This was shown several times throughout he series.

-Android 18 was fairly confident she could win. She was holding back her strength because mighty mask was for all intent and purpose a human fighter. Android 18 lives with krillin and knows that there are humans who can be stronger than average. Android 18 ends the fight very quickly when she realizes that mighty mask is goten and trunks.

[Seekeroftruth]

She claimed Vegeta was nothing special. Jiren also made it clear that Vegeta couldn't beat him so that's a pretty moot point.

She also claim he was strong. Jiren claim so as well. We have many example of weaker fighters being complimented by stronger fighters, this is the point.

You didn't address what I said. Jiren was clearly not concerned about Vegeta's strength since he declared that he would win even when Vegeta had Goku and Android 17 on his side. There is no instance where Android 18 was completely confident in winning until Goten and Trunks exposed themselves. The only time Android 18 claimed Vegeta was strong was when she claimed he was strong relative to a human-like race. Within the same statement, she claims Vegeta's nothing special.

Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P10.2-4, P11.1
Context: after continuing to fight No.18
Vegeta: “This is really starting to annoy me. You act as if nothing’s happened…”
No.18: “I’m surprised. To think that a flesh-and-blood human could be so good, even if you are an alien. Is this man called ‘Son Goku’ even stronger?”
Vegeta: “Don’t kid yourself. He may have temporarily slipped by me, but now things have returned to normal and I should be on top again.”
No.18: “What? So you’re nothing special. Either of you.”

I did address. My point was this.

- Stronger fighters have complimented weaker fighters on their strength even when said fighter is of no concern to them. This was shown several times throughout he series.

-Android 18 was fairly confident she could win. She was holding back her strength because mighty mask was for all intent and purpose a human fighter. Android 18 lives with krillin and knows that there are humans who can be stronger than average. Android 18 ends the fight very quickly when she realizes that mighty mask is goten and trunks.

[Goku9001]

She also claim he was strong. Jiren claim so as well. We have many example of weaker fighters being complimented by stronger fighters, this is the point.

You didn't address what I said. Jiren was clearly not concerned about Vegeta's strength since he declared that he would win even when Vegeta had Goku and Android 17 on his side. There is no instance where Android 18 was completely confident in winning until Goten and Trunks exposed themselves. The only time Android 18 claimed Vegeta was strong was when she claimed he was strong relative to a human-like race. Within the same statement, she claims Vegeta's nothing special.

Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P10.2-4, P11.1
Context: after continuing to fight No.18
Vegeta: “This is really starting to annoy me. You act as if nothing’s happened…”
No.18: “I’m surprised. To think that a flesh-and-blood human could be so good, even if you are an alien. Is this man called ‘Son Goku’ even stronger?”
Vegeta: “Don’t kid yourself. He may have temporarily slipped by me, but now things have returned to normal and I should be on top again.”
No.18: “What? So you’re nothing special. Either of you.”

I did address. My point was this.

- Stronger fighters have complimented weaker fighters on their strength even when said fighter is of no concern to them. This was shown several times throughout he series.

-Android 18 was fairly confident she could win. She was holding back her strength because mighty mask was for all intent and purpose a human fighter. Android 18 lives with krillin and knows that there are humans who can be stronger than average. Android 18 ends the fight very quickly when she realizes that mighty mask is goten and trunks.

The first point has already been addressed. Jiren only acknowledged him and yet stated he would win with certainty. The only thing Android 18 did was claim that Mighty Mask was unusually strong after being miffed that he hadn't gone down so easily. There's literally no comparison between the two to be had.

[Seekeroftruth]

You didn't address what I said. Jiren was clearly not concerned about Vegeta's strength since he declared that he would win even when Vegeta had Goku and Android 17 on his side. There is no instance where Android 18 was completely confident in winning until Goten and Trunks exposed themselves. The only time Android 18 claimed Vegeta was strong was when she claimed he was strong relative to a human-like race. Within the same statement, she claims Vegeta's nothing special.

Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P10.2-4, P11.1
Context: after continuing to fight No.18
Vegeta: “This is really starting to annoy me. You act as if nothing’s happened…”
No.18: “I’m surprised. To think that a flesh-and-blood human could be so good, even if you are an alien. Is this man called ‘Son Goku’ even stronger?”
Vegeta: “Don’t kid yourself. He may have temporarily slipped by me, but now things have returned to normal and I should be on top again.”
No.18: “What? So you’re nothing special. Either of you.”

I did address. My point was this.

- Stronger fighters have complimented weaker fighters on their strength even when said fighter is of no concern to them. This was shown several times throughout he series.

-Android 18 was fairly confident she could win. She was holding back her strength because mighty mask was for all intent and purpose a human fighter. Android 18 lives with krillin and knows that there are humans who can be stronger than average. Android 18 ends the fight very quickly when she realizes that mighty mask is goten and trunks.

The first point has already been addressed. Jiren only acknowledged him and yet stated he would win with certainty. The only thing Android 18 did was claim that Mighty Mask was unusually strong after being miffed that he hadn't gone down so easily. There's literally no comparison between the two to be had.

And 18 also stated she would win decisively against trunks and goten even though she initially complimented mighty mask. So your point?

[super michael]

C18 used a ki blast against Mighty Mask, therefore C18 knew that wasn't a regular human. C18 doesn't use ki blast against regular humans.
I do believe she held back her powers.

Once C18 saw Mighty Mask suppressed ki blast from SSJ1 Trunks, she saw his ki was powerful and fast, therefore C18 wanted to DQ them.

I believe Goten and Trunks are stronger than C18, the only thing is they were at a huge disadvantage for these reasons:

- Unable to see properly, which is a huge disadvantage against a opponent they can sense her ki.
- Unable to move
- Unable to attack, block and dodge
- Unable to dodge properly

[Seekeroftruth]

C18 used a ki blast against Mighty Mask, therefore C18 knew that wasn't a regular human. C18 doesn't use ki blast against regular humans.
I do believe she held back her powers.

Once C18 saw Mighty Mask suppressed ki blast from SSJ1 Trunks, she saw his ki was powerful and fast, therefore C18 wanted to DQ them.

I believe Goten and Trunks are stronger than C18, the only thing is they were at a huge disadvantage for these reasons:

- Unable to see properly, which is a huge disadvantage against a opponent they can sense her ki.
- Unable to move
- Unable to attack, block and dodge
- Unable to dodge properly

Things to consider

- All base saiyans are weaker than Freeza according to battle of gods film.

-Trunks and Goten cannot access the higher grades of SSJ (pre-rosat)

-SSJ Trunks considers himself inferior to SSJ Vegeta, who in turn is still weaker than Majin Vegeta. Trunks was outright defeated from one punch from SSJ vegeta.

-Trunks and Goten are inferior to Piccolo as evident by Buu reverting to Piccolo once the fusion had worn off.

-Piccolo is inferior by a wide margin to Dabura, who is equal to perfect cell.

-SSJ Trunks and goten were effortlessly defeated by majin vgeta (who was severely injured) and not trying.