Do you like fusions?

[Zephyr]

That's what happened yes, but Gogeta was just being a moron for even bothering, since it's established multiple times that if you kill the shadow dragon, the negative energy goes away with him, so Gogeta waiting for One Star to use that negative energy ball to them kick it away with positive energy to dissipate the negative energy surrounding the planet is less effective than just killing him.

GT Gogeta played around way too much, and it was odd that after beating the other dragons and seeing how their demise also meant the dissipation of negative energy, he never thought that killing Omega once and for all would've also cleared up the planet.

Okay, this is fair I'd forgotten about that. Been a few years since I watched GT.

[NeoZ Duwang]

I like the concept of merging two characters into one and the many implications this could have narratively, but in practice, Fusion is just a tool to make stronger characters without having to come up with anything else, which also means that fusions is only useful as long as the writer can't come up with any other new type of power up at the moment. Most fused characters barely feel like a combination of their fusees and also aren't that interesting as characters by themselves. Gotenks was fun the first time and Zamasu actually worked pretty well, other than that, I prefer characters to not fuse

[capsulecorp]

Great for comic relief! Sorta predictable or boring for "serious high stakes" drama, I guess.

[Tian]

Yes. As long as they fuse right, of course.

Don't get me wrong I know they're for comical relief but the failed fusions joke is getting old for me.

I was expecting for DBS Broly to be the last time where they wasted time in trying to get the fusion dance right... but well, we've got failed Gotenks in Super HERO.

[Majin Buu]

I love fusion in concept because it's such a creative idea, and I like what the fusions themselves bring to the table as comic relief characters (that occasionally move the plot forward). Ditto what NeoZ Duwang said about Zamasu. They played around with the idea in an interesting way by having the fusion be two of the same character with different levels of mortality.

And I love Vegetto's design, if only because his outfit is actually a fusion of his component characters' outfits, unlike the fusion dance's magic vest and pants.

Though I wish Vegetto and Gogeta stuck around long enough for us to get to know them as characters since they're just the same character with different names at this point, which does make sense logistically since they're both fusions of the same two characters, but it would be nice for them to have more distinct characterization (GT kinda helped here by making SSJ4 Gogeta an Adult Gotenks of sorts, though that's just making him less like Vegetto and more like Gotenks.

[Koitsukai]

it would be nice for them to have more distinct characterization (GT kinda helped here by making SSJ4 Gogeta an Adult Gotenks of sorts, though that's just making him less like Vegetto and more like Gotenks.

In Z, there was some difference, Vegito was more cocky and prideful while Gogeta was more stoic and assertive. You don't fuck around with Z Gogeta, he even stared down at the teenage oni with the earphones like this ain't over.
Yes, that was Toei giving characteristics to Gogeta that I'm not sure his fusees have(aside from Movie Goku), but at least it made Vegito not Gogeta. Then Toei itself turned Gogeta into Adult Gotenks like you said, and DBS fused Gito and Geta together.

Too bad DBS didn't follow through with the outfit fusion for Vegito.

[Thanos]

I like them but I'm bored of Gotenks (or rather the ways he's been used in the series that made me dislike him now).

Oh god, I don't know why but Gotenks might be the most boring Dragon Ball character. It's always a chore getting through a rewatch when I get to the Buu arc because of him.

[LightBing]

I do.

They have however overstayed their welcome. The main problem being character suppression. Trunks and Goten are the main victims, always being connected to Gotenks.
Gogeta and Vegetto were overused in Super with the latter even forcing a plot rewrite "btw the earrings are temporary as well", removing the original tension the Boo arc plot created.

Like transformations, it was interesting and useful when introduced. With ever diminishing returns to the point it's just a shiny thing to use with very little care for the plot.

[MasenkoHA]

I do.

They have however overstayed their welcome. The main problem being character suppression. Trunks and Goten are the main victims, always being connected to Gotenks.
Gogeta and Vegetto were overused in Super with the latter even forcing a plot rewrite "btw the earrings are temporary as well", removing the original tension the Boo arc plot created.

Like transformations, it was interesting and useful when introduced. With ever diminishing returns to the point it's just a shiny thing to use with very little care for the plot.

Overused meaning....they appeared each once in Super? Or did the post-anime manga use Gogeta and Vegetto a lot more?

Gotenks appeared like what twice in Super? Once for 5 seconds against Beerus and again against Copy Vegeta. Goten and Trunks definitely got way more solo stuff, however superfluous fluff it was, than fusing with Gotenks. Even Gotenks grand return in Super Dee Duper Hero was Toriyama trolling fans.

[LightBing]

I do.

They have however overstayed their welcome. The main problem being character suppression. Trunks and Goten are the main victims, always being connected to Gotenks.
Gogeta and Vegetto were overused in Super with the latter even forcing a plot rewrite "btw the earrings are temporary as well", removing the original tension the Boo arc plot created.

Like transformations, it was interesting and useful when introduced. With ever diminishing returns to the point it's just a shiny thing to use with very little care for the plot.

Overused meaning....they appeared each once in Super? Or did the post-anime manga use Gogeta and Vegetto a lot more?

Gotenks appeared like what twice in Super? Once for 5 seconds against Beerus and again against Copy Vegeta. Goten and Trunks definitely got way more solo stuff, however superfluous fluff it was, than fusing with Gotenks. Even Gotenks grand return in Super Dee Duper Hero was Toriyama trolling fans.

The Zamasu arc heavily relies on fusions, both Heroes and villains. Broly movie closes with Gogeta. Kefla plays an essential rule in the ToP arc.
Gotenks, wasn't really thinking about it because it's mostly a repeating trend. It falls more on the suppression of Trunks and Goten. Although the recent manga arc gladly went the other way.

That's a lot to me.

[JulieYBM]

Who doesn't love fujoshi?

EDIT: Oh shit, I misread the title. Yeah, I love Kefla and and Zamasu, but that's about it. Fusion is tedious otherwise. Kefla and Zamasu felt like substantial character arcs culimnating.

[Majin Buu]

Who doesn't love fujoshi?

EDIT: Oh shit, I misread the title.

I know nothing about fujoshi so I thought you were doing a clever innuendo until you edited the post .

[90sDBZ]

I've always liked them.

Gotenks is a fun character with some cool techniques and funny moments.

Vegito and Gogeta are both in the running for most badass character in the franchise.

Vegito gives Buuhan what may be the most humiliating beatdown of the series, which felt so satisfying after watching Buu be dominant for so long. His brief appearance in Super was also a highlight.

Gogeta has 3 different iterations, and I mostly like them all. His Movie 12 appearance is legendary, where he instantly glides towards Janemba and kicks his ass, before using the iconic Soul Punisher.

SS4 Gogeta in GT was cool too, although he was much less serious and managed to screw things up by messing around.

Gogeta Blue in DBS Broly was awesome, and basically made the movie for me.

Fusions are awesome if saved for special occasions. I wouldn't want them all the time.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Who doesn't love fujoshi?

EDIT: Oh shit, I misread the title. Yeah, I love Kefla and and Zamasu, but that's about it. Fusion is tedious otherwise. Kefla and Zamasu felt like substantial character arcs culimnating.

I love fujoshi!

[JulieYBM]

Who doesn't love fujoshi?

EDIT: Oh shit, I misread the title.

I know nothing about fujoshi so I thought you were doing a clever innuendo until you edited the post .

Fujoshi are women who ship male characters and enjoy reading, watching and creating Boy's Love/Yaoi. The male equivalent is fudanshi and the non-binary equivalent is fujin.

That being said, I was actually just making a joke about how similar the two terms sound, and also on how Zamasu and Gokuu Black are a popular yaoi ship.

[Majin Buu]

In Z, there was some difference, Vegito was more cocky and prideful while Gogeta was more stoic and assertive. You don't fuck around with Z Gogeta, he even stared down at the teenage oni with the earphones like this ain't over.

I used to think the same thing: Vegetto is the cocky one that doesn't take things seriously (or at least pretends not to) and Gogeta is the no-nonsense one that cuts right to the chase, but Z Gogeta only existed for 5 minutes of screentime and that's not enough time to determine what he's like as a character; so claiming that Z Gogeta is the fusion that doesn't screw around is an assumption based on only circumstantial evidence.

Yeah, it could be that Z Gogeta just doesn't fuck around in general, but It's just as plausible that he cut right to the chase there simply because his component characters were thoroughly over dealing with Janemba at that point as Janemba had been a pain in their asses for the entire film. That one scene provides so little to go off of in terms of his characterization that either scenario is plausible. It could be that he's more likely to fuck around when his component characters haven't been persistently antagonized by their opponent for the entire story.

Fujoshi are women who ship male characters and enjoy reading, watching and creating Boy's Love/Yaoi. The male equivalent is fudanshi and the non-binary equivalent is fujin.

Ah, good to know.

That being said, I was actually just making a joke about how similar the two terms sound, and also on how Zamasu and Gokuu Black are a popular yaoi ship.

So I was kinda on the right track despite my ignorance .

[Lukmendes]

Gogeta and Vegetto were overused in Super with the latter even forcing a plot rewrite "btw the earrings are temporary as well", removing the original tension the Boo arc plot created.

Zamasu is the one who caused the retcon, Toriyama's notes mentioned the potara time limit with him even though Toriyama didn't write Vegetto in the arc.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations ... alk-vol-2/

"Zamasu actually wasn’t all that strong of a character in the original draft I received from Toriyama-sensei. Though immortal, his strength was such that two Super Saiyan Blues were more than enough to take him on. It’s precisely because of this that in the original draft things unfolded so that his “immortality” and “Potara time limit” became key, and Goku and Vegeta took turns fighting him. Goku and Vegeta didn’t fuse in the original draft. "

The manga decided to use the time limit, while the anime ignored it.

[Majin Buu]

I watched Totally Not Mark's two-part review of the Buu arc over the weekend (wound up enjoying it more than I expected to) and his thoughts on Vegetto got me to turn around a bit on my previous criticisms on his and Gogeta's lack of characterization.

What I realized is that Vegetto and Gogeta are like Janemba. Janemba is similarly lacking in characterization but he makes up for it by having amazing abilities and has the excuse of being literally made of evil.

Vegetto and Gogeta have something similar going on: They kinda don't need much characterization to work as characters because of what they are and what that represents- A joining of two rivals whose rivalry has defined how they engage with each other (which is even more meaningful in the context of the Buu arc as said rivalry played a critical role in Buu's revival).

I still wish they stuck around long enough for us to get to know them as characters since there's untapped comedic potential there (the idea of Vegetto/Gogeta trying to fit into a world of peace is ripe for comedy considering all the chaos that would cause), but they work as characters regardless.