Dragon Ball Daima Strength Discussion Thread

[Yuji]

Might as well get this rolling.

[Hugo Boss]

By the way, considering this might be an adventure arc, based on what the trailers showed, what are your expectations about the characters’ strength? Could it possibly be comparable to (Namek) Freeza, Cell, Boo?

[Grimlock]

Can't wait to see the characters being as strong or weak as the plot demands them to be while at the same time not giving damn about logic and consistency. And to see people trying to apply logic and consistency where there is none to be found. And for me to continue to mostly ignore this part in an attempt to enjoy a little bit more what the series has to offer (and because power level discussion is boring as hell, though I will relent and give some input here and there, once in a blue moon).

That being said, if it turns out to take place before Dragon Ball Super, there's a chance things could still make some sense. If there's a Makaioshin in this series, I wonder if Toriyama remembered when he said they are supposed to be weaker than Kaioshin. I'd also like to know where a Makaio's power level stands in all this. Are they weaker, stronger, equal to Kaio's? Assuming they're also going to appear, of course.

[Yuji]

By the way, considering this might be an adventure arc, based on what the trailers showed, what are your expectations about the characters’ strength? Could it possibly be comparable to (Namek) Freeza, Cell, Boo?

Leaks suggest the series

Spoiler:

takes place months after the Boo arc

So we should have a decent scale for every new character or opponent in terms of comparing them to Z characters just by scaling via Goku's forms.

[ZombieVito]

I'm terrified this will break what BoG established about Goku's base power.

[MisteryOne]

By the way, considering this might be an adventure arc, based on what the trailers showed, what are your expectations about the characters’ strength? Could it possibly be comparable to (Namek) Freeza, Cell, Boo?

Goku can go SS and SS2. There is no way something won't push it to SS3 levels. Of course the good thing would be to state they have gotten weaker...but seems unlikely. The final villain will probably be stronger than Kid Buu.

If you mean the new characters...I mean what have we even seen of them? Glorio uses a gun so that doesn't sounds very powerful.

I'm terrified this will break what BoG established about Goku's base power.

Oh my sweet boi/gal, if the leaks are true, they don't give a crap about BoG

Spoiler:

as Vegeta is getting a new form he never used against Beerus.

I will admit tho, it could potentially be refreshing to only needing to use Toriyama's manga as a base. That should keep things simple to a point. No different versions, no unseen arcs. Just a dumb adventure that will happen to feature some...powerful majins.

[Almighty Majin]

I'm terrified this will break what BoG established about Goku's base power.

My fear is that Piccolo will be equal to base Goku and Vegeta in this series. I hope that's not the case and he'll be equal to them in SSJ.

If you mean the new characters...I mean what have we even seen of them? Glorio uses a gun so that doesn't sounds very powerful.

I mean to be fair, the Gammas in Super Hero also used guns and they were pretty strong all things considered. Glorio might have some sort of laser pistol or something that's just highly potent lol.

The Makaioshin character might be around Shin's level of strength and I think Gomah will be a wizard like Babidi so he will focuse more on magical prowess.

Idk who the final villain will be (maybe the Makaioshin type character uses the potara with someone else and we get another fusion antagonist?) but they probably will be relative or greater than Kid Buu in some capacity.

[ZombieVito]

Oh my sweet boi/gal, if the leaks are true, they don't give a crap about BoG

Spoiler:

as Vegeta is getting a new form he never used against Beerus.

I will admit tho, it could potentially be refreshing to only needing to use Toriyama's manga as a base. That should keep things simple to a point. No different versions, no unseen arcs. Just a dumb adventure that will happen to feature some...powerful majins.

Spoiler:

Yeah that's worrying but I have faith AT thought of that and will make an excuse for him not using it in BoG.

My fear is that Piccolo will be equal to base Goku and Vegeta in this series. I hope that's not the case and he'll be equal to them in SSJ.

He should be in between base and Super Saiyan since he's still weaker than a weaker SS Gohan by RoF. Maybe the curse weakens them to various degrees and none of this matters.

[Ronin]

This probably won't happen considering we've seen Goku as a Super Saiyan in the trailer (and it'd be a major spoiler if it does happen), but I think it'd be cool if everyone truly reverted to their child selves. Not like in GT where Goku's body shrinks in size and he keeps his power, but I mean he gets shrunk to kid-size and his power gets shrunken down to what it was when he was a kid as well. And they also wouldn't be able to do anymore techniques they learned since being a kid unless they re-train himselves (because let's say their bodies can't handle the newer techniques without training). If anyone wants OG Kid Goku, that's the best way to make it happen IMO. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.

[nineko]

A possibile middle ground here is that Goku's power might indeed revert to 10 like it was at the beginning of the series, though he might still be able to become a Super Saiyan since he knows how to do that, applying whatever multiplier you believe is right (10× or 50× or anything inbetween) to his original 10.

Incidentally, a power of 500 would fit quite nicely with demons of pre-Z Piccolo level.

That being said, none of this will probably happen. I expect power levels to be all over the place.

[Koitsukai]

But if Dabura was the king of this realm, shouldn't all of these foes be below that tier? and maybe even weaker than that if Babidi made Dabura even stronger with the M.
That's why I feel they chose to go the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids route. To de-power them so they could face weaker people and not oneshot them.

Or not, perhaps they don't give a fuck and it'll be like with DBS where the weakest villain of the midquel wipes his ass with the strongest from Z, and from the get go Dabura will be fodder.

[Yuji]

But if Dabura was the king of this realm, shouldn't all of these foes be below that tier? and maybe even weaker than that if Babidi made Dabura even stronger with the M.
That's why I feel they chose to go the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids route. To de-power them so they could face weaker people and not oneshot them.

Or not, perhaps they don't give a fuck and it'll be like with DBS where the weakest villain of the midquel wipes his ass with the strongest from Z, and from the get go Dabura will be fodder.

I do expect Goku to be able to handle most opponents with ease in base or SS1 or 2 which would fit in fine with Dabra being the measuring stick. I think he'll only need to use SS3 against potential Makaioshin or artificial beings.

[Almighty Majin]

Yeah I think the only Demon Realm denizens who will be above Dabura will be any newly created or empowered beings during this arc or if the Makaioshin character decides to fuse with someone else using their Potara.

[JulieYBM]

But if Dabura was the king of this realm, shouldn't all of these foes be below that tier? and maybe even weaker than that if Babidi made Dabura even stronger with the M.
That's why I feel they chose to go the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids route. To de-power them so they could face weaker people and not oneshot them.

Or not, perhaps they don't give a fuck and it'll be like with DBS where the weakest villain of the midquel wipes his ass with the strongest from Z, and from the get go Dabura will be fodder.

Guy Who Thinks That He is the Best: "I'm the King of the Demon Realm!!"

Guy Who is Stronger Than Him: "lulz whatevs. Anyway, eho wants to play Mario Kart?"

[LightBing]

Let's see:

Tamagamis are probably stronger than Dabra since nobody asked for a wish "for a long time".
The new Namekian is probably pretty strong or was when younger since he created them.

If the wish makes everyone as weak as their age. Vegeta will probably be the strongest Z fighter, by a lot. Someone's ego is about to be inflated.

Magic will probably influence the power scale a bunch. Even without turning to children, Kaioshin's brother assumed they wouldn't reach the castle.

[ZombieVito]

So they do get weaker.

Hopefully the series doesn't contradict Namek Freeza > base Goku.

[Hellspawn28]

The show is set before Super, so I doubt anyone will be as powerful as Freeza in ROF or Beerus.

[Hugo Boss]

Tamagamis are probably stronger than Dabra since nobody asked for a wish "for a long time".
The new Namekian is probably pretty strong or was when younger since he created them.

Oh yes. The show really does a great job with portraying Neva as an unusually talented Namekian. Who knows what could happen if he was somehow wished to be younger. He kinda resembles King Piccolo.

[Yuji]

Gomah and Degesu are surprised at Super Saiyan levels of power from the get-go, and even more-so surprised they can fire Ki blasts and fly, so I doubt any of the regular Makai citizens are any stronger than OG DB opponents or Freeza army grunts at best.

[Almighty Majin]

Degesu and Dr. Arinsu: I believe both of them should be relative to Shin in terms of power. Degesu is likely the stronger and more skilled fighter of the two, but Arinsu is clearly smarter and more cunning.

Gomah: Weaker than the Kaioshin/Makaioshin. Depending on what we see from him he might be relative to Babidi in terms of magical ability. The Evil Third Eye might boost his magic way further so we shall see about that.

Neva: Definitely the most powerful Dragon Clan Namekian. He is above Kami, Dende, Guru, Moori, and Monaito.

Tamagami: Considering how the Demon Realm Dragon Balls have not been used in a long time due to these guys. all three are likely stronger than Dabura and by extension, Cell. Exactly how powerful these guys will be is unknown for now, but they are definitely being hyped up to be incredibly strong.

An important detail to note is that Ki is not the core method of power in the Demon Realm. It seems that they mostly rely on magic and technology. So while some of the Demon Realm characters might not end up being strong in a traditional sense, their use of advanced magic and technology might just close that gap.