The daizenshuu says that Trunks from timeline 3 went into the past of Timeline 4, where he obtained the remote control and brought it back to his own time and destroyed the androids over there. It says because he gets killed in his own timeline before being able to go back and help during the Cell Games, that the results are unknown and that therefore it's impossible to tell what happens during timeline 4's Buu saga. What do you think happened in timeline 4?
My thoughts are that discrepencies in the timeline make it so #17 never destroys the remote and allows for one of the following to occur:
1) Trunks gets it after Gero is killed and immediately uses it to destroy #17 and #18.
1b) Trunks gets it after Gero is killed and uses it to destroy #17 and #18 once Vegeta starts losing the fight with #18.
1c) Discrepencies in the timeline make it so #17 and #18 are weaker than in TL3 Trunks' timeline. They get destroyed thanks to his help as of their activation. He gets the remote to use on the androids in his own timeline.
1d) #17 and #18 defeat everyone as in timeline 1. Piccolo goes to fuse with Kami while Trunks stays behind to look for the dropped remote. Discrepencies in the timeline allow for Piccolo to be strong enough to tak out #17 and #18, and that Goku doesn't think to enter the room of spirit and time.
1e) #17 and #18 defeat everyone as in timeline 1. Piccolo goes to fuse with Kami while Trunks stays behind to look for the dropped remote. Discrepencies in the timeline result in Goku never thinking to about the room of spirit and time, but luckily Trunks has found the remote control, so he locates the battle between Piccolo and #17 and uses it to destroy the androids.
1f) Gero, seeing he's about to be killed by #17, uses the remote on him and #18. Vegeta and the others break into the lab. Vegeta, seeing Gero ruined his oppurtunity to fight them, kills Gero in revenge. Trunks takes the remote.
2) There should be NO Cell Games in the 4th timeline. It just makes no sense. So instead, discrepencies in the timeline make it so that Gero's supercomputer absorbs Gero's hate, as in movie 7. As a result, it switches from working on Cell to #13, #14, and #15 since they were nearest to completion. The other events of movie 7 unfold.
3) Without ever having to evolve the SSJ levels, Dabura kills everybody easily when challenged. Babidi therefore gets his revenge against Kaioshin, but not enough energy is collected, so Buu isn't revived and Babidi doesn't conquer the universe. Meanwhile, "Mighty Mask" wins the 25th budokai, as #18 is dead and therefore someone weaker than the regular human fighters takes her spot in the battle royale.
3b) Goku and Vegeta eventually obtain the USSJ levels over the seven years during their regular training, but because Dabura is as strong as Cell, they still lose to him. The rest is the same as 3.
3c) Goku and Vegeta eventualy obtain the USSJ levels over the seven years during their regular training, but because Dabura is as strong as Cell, their battles with him result in Buu being awakened. Buu kills everybody. Super Buu ravages the universe since Goku never learned fusion.
3d) Goku and Vegeta eventually obtain SSJ2 during the seven years and defeat Dabura. Since Goku isn't dead, Vegeta doesn't get pissed at Goku, so he doesn't become Majin. After Dabura's defeat, they defeat Babidi.
3e) Goku and Vegeta eventually obtain SSJ2 during the seven years and defeat Dabura. Since Goku isn't dead, Vegeta doesn't get pissed at Goku, so he doesn't become Majin. However, the battle was long enough for Buu to awaken. Super Buu ravages the universe since Goku never learned fusion.
3f) Goku and Vegeta eventually obtain SSJ2 during the seven years and defeat Dabura. Since Goku isn't dead, Vegeta doesn't get pissed at Goku, so he doesn't become Majin. However, the battle was long enough for Buu to awaken. Goku uses Shunkan Ido to save everybody from Majin Buu. Kaioshin, once healed, teleports Goku to Kaioshinkai to pull the Z-Sword. Mystic Goku defeats Super Buu.
3g) Goku and Vegeta eventually obtain SSJ2 during the seven years and defeat Dabura. Since Goku isn't dead, Vegeta doesn't get pissed at Goku, so he doesn't become Majin. However, the battle was long enough for Buu to awaken. Goku uses Shunkan Ido to save everybody from Majin Buu. Kaioshin, once healed, teleports Goku to Kaioshinkai to pull the Z-Sword. Mystic Goku fights Super Buu, but gets absorbed by him. Super Buu ravages the universe.
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Ah, the fourth timeline. An interesting topic!
We know that the Trunks that was killed by Cell (to take his time-machine) didn't know Cell or had enough power to bring him down.
This means that this Trunks traveled to and returned from a different past, where he and the Z-warriors destroy the androids and Trunks probably developed enough power to destroy the androids.
In this past, they never learn of Cell, but the Z-warriors still survive. The Majin Buu saga could happen in this timeline and ten years after that, the Cell that was never discovered in the basement emerges. Everything that happens here is open to speculation (or fanfics
).
Is it explicitly stated somewhere that Trunks used the remote control on the androids (before Cell sprung on him), instead of that he just got a little stronger than them?
As for Dayspring's theories:
1) I think the androids show up just as in the future, being weaker than the main TL's androids. The Z-warriors manage to kill them as the result of several years of training. They never discover Gero's lab, 19 was never built and Gero was killed just like in the original future. Cell still grows in his tank, and will emerge 20 years later (the time that would be the Uub saga).
2) I agree, there is no Cell in this timeline. He did not yet return to the past and the Cell of this time is still tucked in his tube.
3) Gohan never turns SSj 2 so neither do Goku or Vegeta. It may be that they attain that state after rigorous training or a different kind of battle (Broly saga?). Depending on this, the Buu saga could enfold any possible way from here.
Note: because of the different history, villains like Janemba, Broly and such could have been in this timeline. As such, the undiscovered Cell could have inherited cells from these villains.
We know that the Trunks that was killed by Cell (to take his time-machine) didn't know Cell or had enough power to bring him down.
This means that this Trunks traveled to and returned from a different past, where he and the Z-warriors destroy the androids and Trunks probably developed enough power to destroy the androids.
In this past, they never learn of Cell, but the Z-warriors still survive. The Majin Buu saga could happen in this timeline and ten years after that, the Cell that was never discovered in the basement emerges. Everything that happens here is open to speculation (or fanfics
).Is it explicitly stated somewhere that Trunks used the remote control on the androids (before Cell sprung on him), instead of that he just got a little stronger than them?
As for Dayspring's theories:
1) I think the androids show up just as in the future, being weaker than the main TL's androids. The Z-warriors manage to kill them as the result of several years of training. They never discover Gero's lab, 19 was never built and Gero was killed just like in the original future. Cell still grows in his tank, and will emerge 20 years later (the time that would be the Uub saga).
2) I agree, there is no Cell in this timeline. He did not yet return to the past and the Cell of this time is still tucked in his tube.
3) Gohan never turns SSj 2 so neither do Goku or Vegeta. It may be that they attain that state after rigorous training or a different kind of battle (Broly saga?). Depending on this, the Buu saga could enfold any possible way from here.
Note: because of the different history, villains like Janemba, Broly and such could have been in this timeline. As such, the undiscovered Cell could have inherited cells from these villains.
I love intelligent guessing! Okay...
1) Trunks find plans to make the remote control, Kuririn doesn't fall in love with #18, both androids of TL4 dies.
2)Cell doesn't exist, everyone live happy lifes before they get massacred by movies villains or Majin Buu.
(You mind Dayspring, if I use the way you do the numbering?)
2b)Broly born few hours after Goku, so he doesn't hear him cry as he is quieten down by a nurse and Broly is not crazy, still very powerful and feared by King Vegeta, send away *coughattemptedmurdercough* before Saiyan massacre, they go around the planets looking for saiyans to take revenge on. They find Earth and they fight the Z-Warriors, Broly saiyan pride get in the way and like Cell, gives them time to train. All the event of TL1 takes place (ROST, etc.) but it has Broly in it and Broly challenges Z-Warrior to have a match against him and his father.
3)Goku fights against Broly, goes Super Saiyan 2 kills him and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga but with angry Vegeta, the original thing takes place but with Gohan going SSJ2 and Goku going Mystic.
3b)Goku fights against Broly, goes Super Saiyan 2 kills him, wishes Gohan back and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga but with angry Vegeta, the original thing takes place but with Gohan going SSJ2 and then Goku/Gohan going Mystic.
3c)Goku fights against Broly but while Broly was using a Full-Powered Eraser Cannon, Gohan protects Goku, Goku in anger, goes Super Saiyan 2 kills him and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga but with angry Vegeta, the original thing takes place but with Gohan going SSJ2, Goku going SSJ3 and
3d)Gohan fights against Broly, goes Super Saiyan 2 kills him and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga but with angry Vegeta, the original thing takes place but with Goku going SSJ2 and Gohan going Mystic.
3e)Goku fights against Broly but the Legendary Super Saiyan accidently kills Goku, Gohan in anger goes Super Saiyan 2 and kills him and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga, the original thing takes place.
3f)Goku fights against Broly but the Legendary Super Saiyan accidently kills Goku, Gohan in anger goes Super Saiyan 2 does a Father-Son Kamehameha and knocks (but not kill) Broly out, Broly becomes a Z-Fighter and everyones lives happily till Majin Buu Saga, the original thing takes place but with Majin Broly and all that...
1) Trunks find plans to make the remote control, Kuririn doesn't fall in love with #18, both androids of TL4 dies.
2)Cell doesn't exist, everyone live happy lifes before they get massacred by movies villains or Majin Buu.
(You mind Dayspring, if I use the way you do the numbering?)
2b)Broly born few hours after Goku, so he doesn't hear him cry as he is quieten down by a nurse and Broly is not crazy, still very powerful and feared by King Vegeta, send away *coughattemptedmurdercough* before Saiyan massacre, they go around the planets looking for saiyans to take revenge on. They find Earth and they fight the Z-Warriors, Broly saiyan pride get in the way and like Cell, gives them time to train. All the event of TL1 takes place (ROST, etc.) but it has Broly in it and Broly challenges Z-Warrior to have a match against him and his father.
3)Goku fights against Broly, goes Super Saiyan 2 kills him and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga but with angry Vegeta, the original thing takes place but with Gohan going SSJ2 and Goku going Mystic.
3b)Goku fights against Broly, goes Super Saiyan 2 kills him, wishes Gohan back and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga but with angry Vegeta, the original thing takes place but with Gohan going SSJ2 and then Goku/Gohan going Mystic.
3c)Goku fights against Broly but while Broly was using a Full-Powered Eraser Cannon, Gohan protects Goku, Goku in anger, goes Super Saiyan 2 kills him and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga but with angry Vegeta, the original thing takes place but with Gohan going SSJ2, Goku going SSJ3 and
3d)Gohan fights against Broly, goes Super Saiyan 2 kills him and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga but with angry Vegeta, the original thing takes place but with Goku going SSJ2 and Gohan going Mystic.
3e)Goku fights against Broly but the Legendary Super Saiyan accidently kills Goku, Gohan in anger goes Super Saiyan 2 and kills him and lives happily till Majin Buu Saga, the original thing takes place.
3f)Goku fights against Broly but the Legendary Super Saiyan accidently kills Goku, Gohan in anger goes Super Saiyan 2 does a Father-Son Kamehameha and knocks (but not kill) Broly out, Broly becomes a Z-Fighter and everyones lives happily till Majin Buu Saga, the original thing takes place but with Majin Broly and all that...
[quote="SSj Kaboom talking about Future Gohan in BT3"]I feel sorry for Future Gohan.
Everyone's like, "What?! What are you doing with [b][i]two[/i][/b] arms?! You tear that off right now, mister!"
Poor guy.[/quote]
Lol'ed.
Everyone's like, "What?! What are you doing with [b][i]two[/i][/b] arms?! You tear that off right now, mister!"
Poor guy.[/quote]
Lol'ed.
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I've got three ideas for how the unseen timeline (which should be numbered as TL2 since the true TL1 is the one Cell came from) unfolded (which are fairly similar), none of which inolves a Cell Games. >>
Idea one: Everything unfolds the same as the anime (minus Cell) up to the point of Vegeta emerging from the RoSaT. Since Cell wasn't there to absorb 17 during the battle against Piccolo that is still occuring when Vegeta arrives. Piccolo's tired and starting to lose by now so Vegeta steps in and trounces 17, 18, and 16 without trouble. 17 is killed, 16 destroyed, but Krillin manages to arrive and stop Vegeta from killing 18.
7 Years pass and Buu shows up. By now Goku and Vegeta have both reached SSJ2. When they follow Spoppovitch back to Babidi's ship Gohan' fights Pui Pui, Goku fights Yakon, and Vegeta fights (and kills) Dabura. The Supreme Kai then kills Babidi and Buu is never released.
Several years later Cell appears, is discovered, and is killed in less than a second by Piccolo, Goku, or Vegeta.
Idea Two: Same up until the Buu Saga. This time Babidi either sees he can use Vegeta or tries it out of desperation and turns him Majin. Buu is released, Vegeta fights him and is killed, the Supreme Kai takes Goku and Gohan to his world to train. The Z Sword is broken, the old Kai sees Gohan's hidden powers and awakes them, Gohan destroys Buu without any trouble at all.
Several years later Cell appears, now pink thanks to having some of Buu in him. And who knows how that goes....
Idea Three: Same up until Buu's release. This time Buu manages to kill everyone and the Earth is left a barren wasteland. Cell eventually appears, discovers that Bulma invented yet another time machine (to warn themselves about Buu) but never got the chance to use it and so he swipes it. (< Used this idea in my AH fanfic series.
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Idea one: Everything unfolds the same as the anime (minus Cell) up to the point of Vegeta emerging from the RoSaT. Since Cell wasn't there to absorb 17 during the battle against Piccolo that is still occuring when Vegeta arrives. Piccolo's tired and starting to lose by now so Vegeta steps in and trounces 17, 18, and 16 without trouble. 17 is killed, 16 destroyed, but Krillin manages to arrive and stop Vegeta from killing 18.
7 Years pass and Buu shows up. By now Goku and Vegeta have both reached SSJ2. When they follow Spoppovitch back to Babidi's ship Gohan' fights Pui Pui, Goku fights Yakon, and Vegeta fights (and kills) Dabura. The Supreme Kai then kills Babidi and Buu is never released.
Several years later Cell appears, is discovered, and is killed in less than a second by Piccolo, Goku, or Vegeta.
Idea Two: Same up until the Buu Saga. This time Babidi either sees he can use Vegeta or tries it out of desperation and turns him Majin. Buu is released, Vegeta fights him and is killed, the Supreme Kai takes Goku and Gohan to his world to train. The Z Sword is broken, the old Kai sees Gohan's hidden powers and awakes them, Gohan destroys Buu without any trouble at all.
Several years later Cell appears, now pink thanks to having some of Buu in him. And who knows how that goes....
Idea Three: Same up until Buu's release. This time Buu manages to kill everyone and the Earth is left a barren wasteland. Cell eventually appears, discovers that Bulma invented yet another time machine (to warn themselves about Buu) but never got the chance to use it and so he swipes it. (< Used this idea in my AH fanfic series.
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I'll take this one from Xyex's idea #2:
Cell now has Buu's DNA and manages to kill everyone by combining his strength with that of Buu. But now, without the androids or a time-machine, Pink Cell has no means of becoming perfect - his one ultimate desire. Just like when Super Buu lost his ultimate desire (candy
), he blasted a hole into dimensions and entered... *cue ominous suspense music*
The main timeline! This would be at the time of the 28th budokai. In this timeline, Pink Cell can absorb 17 and 18, who are both still alive on Earth. This would make for an interesting villain: Perfect Pink Cell
Cell now has Buu's DNA and manages to kill everyone by combining his strength with that of Buu. But now, without the androids or a time-machine, Pink Cell has no means of becoming perfect - his one ultimate desire. Just like when Super Buu lost his ultimate desire (candy
), he blasted a hole into dimensions and entered... *cue ominous suspense music*The main timeline! This would be at the time of the 28th budokai. In this timeline, Pink Cell can absorb 17 and 18, who are both still alive on Earth. This would make for an interesting villain: Perfect Pink Cell
Fixed to satisfy my lust of my newly obtained NekoMajin tankoubon. Is it me, or does Pete Kobayashi look like he could pass as the lovechild of Vegeta and Yamcha?Terra-jin wrote:I'll take this one from Xyex's idea #2:
Cell now has Buu's DNA and manages to kill everyone by combining his strength with that of Buu. But now, without the androids or a time-machine, Pink Cell has no means of becoming perfect - his one ultimate desire. Just like when Super Buu lost his ultimate desire (candy
The NekoMajin Z timeline! Thinking Majin Cell is just another tourist, Z and The Boy try to scam him into paying for a "koala picture." Cell blasts Z unexpectedly for bothering him, prompting a wicked cool battle scene. Cell assimilates Z for his Neko Majin abilities, but surprisingly, the transformation results in Z with spots and a tail like Cell's. When Boy asks why Cell didn't win, Z confirms that in a gag-manga, the good guys always win. Boy then asks if the good guys won, why was Cell able to assimilate Z, and why does Z now look so ugly.
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