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Reading Japanese.

Post by KillerCory » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:53 pm

Hi,

I've been having trouble trying to find a good site on learning how to read Japanese. I've seen sites on learning how to speak and write (and I know writing will help me read) but I am looking for something more.

I've got a list of the Hiragana and Katakana characters but if you translate the characters into their pronounciations then what?

For example... If I translated いぬ into inu how would I find out that inu means dog or that おかね > okane > money?

Thanks in advance!!

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Post by Herms » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:15 pm

I like Jim Breen's dictionary/translation site for simply looking things up. You might also want to buy a physical dictionary. When reading from a book I've always found it more convenient to use one of them than look things up on a computer, but your preferences may vary.

For actually studying the language, this place is good.

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Post by Death-T » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:33 pm

Meh.. Well I would never really reccomend learning an entire language via some website. But if it works for you...

Anyway, you should know that it's gonna take you a helluva lot longer then you want to actually read and speak fluently in the language. :P
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Post by Payne222 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:10 pm

Yeah, you shouldn't really trust the internet. From what I can remember, Japanese characters (Kanji) can be used in different ways. Also, stuff isn't always written in Hiragana or Katakana.
Like inu would normally be read as "犬"
and o-kane " お金"
I'd try and find somewhere where you can take live classes to learn. It'd be much better.
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Post by Suupaa Gohan 2 » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:34 pm

I'm not quite sure if this is what you're asking, but what I'm guessing you mean is like, for words that can have more than one possible meaning, how do you know which meaning is tied to which characters? ...Which I think I worded just as badly to where that made no sense...ngh...

Well if you mean what I think you mean, ask yourself the same question about English. I know the words 'fly' and 'fly' are spelled the same way, for instance. If I see the word standing alone I don't know what context it's in...is it the insect, or the verb of soaring through the air? However, slap it into a sentence, and there's no question...the context tells you, and you just know by default. That'd work the same way in Japanese, as well, regardless of whether or not seeing いぬ on its own could mean 犬 (dog) or 往ぬ (to move on; to pass by).

Another thing that happens in Japanese is the spelling. This happens in English, too; for instance I know that even while they're pronounced the same, 'grate' and 'great' are very different words. If I see that they're spelled different I automatically know which word someone is trying to say. In Japanese it's the same way in regards to Kanji. Realize that most Japanese isn't written solely in Hiragana, but rather Kanji with Furugana characters representing the pronunciation of the character. There are some Kanji characters that can be read more than one way, so if the Kanji is on its own without the context of a sentence clarifying it, you may not know what word it's supposed to mean (like the 'fly'/'fly' example).

That's why Furugana, or Hiragana characters you often see floating above the Kanji, are there to tell you the way the character is meant to be pronounced. On the other angle of the 'spelling' issue are then the words that are spelled differently but sound the same ('grate'/'great' as the English example) - a nice, Dragonball-related example would be 'ki', which can mean numerous things beyond the meaning we're all familiar with. If I hear the word 'ki' on its own, well, does it mean 'energy'? Does it mean 'tree'? It could be either. But if I see 気 (energy) as opposed to 木 (tree) I know what meaning is meant to apply to that 'ki'.

...That make any sense? I'm terrible at explaining -_-;
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Post by Herms » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:51 pm

That's really odd, since I remember reading your reply. So it was here, at least for a while...

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Post by Suupaa Gohan 2 » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:52 pm

Fixed; I managed to recover it from a document I saved my post in. Good thing I'm paranoid about losing posts; it's a typical thing that happens on dial-up so it's become a habit.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:03 pm

Hey :) I'm really curious about learning Japanese. If you could link to some sites that help you learn to speak and read it, that would be amazing. Thanks in advance.

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Post by KillerCory » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:18 pm

Thank you for all the replys.

I bought a nice Japanase-English, English-Japanase book.

Here are a few sites I have found helpful:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_hiragana.htm
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_katakana.htm
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:51 am

Thank you very, very much :)

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