Freeza "born from his father alone"

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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:42 pm

That's pretty interesting. I remember an old Jump issue mentioning how there were "very few of them in existence", while also mentioning that Freeza was a mutant. Would like to know where Cold was mutated from.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:56 pm

Cold pooping out a Freeza sized egg...yeah dont need that mental image.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Patrick » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:57 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Cold pooping out a Freeza sized egg...yeah dont need that mental image.
Could be like Piccolo Daimao where he spits up an egg instead.

Not any better mind you, but still.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:01 pm

I really wish this would have been written more clearly when the interview was conducted. The two interpretations of the line in question would change things about their race considerably.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Duo » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:14 pm

Maybe this interview will result in Toriyama-sensei getting pestered enough to map all this nonsense out once and for all.

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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:15 pm

Duo wrote:Maybe this interview will result in Toriyama-sensei getting pestered enough to map all this nonsense out once and for all.
Which may also result in him giving us half assed answers so people get off his back.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Duo » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:20 pm

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Duo wrote:Maybe this interview will result in Toriyama-sensei getting pestered enough to map all this nonsense out once and for all.
Which may also result in him giving us half assed answers so people get off his back.
That would thoroughly amuse me.

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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:38 pm

I guess it's possible that there was more members of Freeza's race, but Freeza and Cold kill them all. Cold and Freeza wanted to rule the universe, maybe their race was trying to stop them from taking over the universe.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Herms » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:49 pm

Mystic Buu wrote:It is said in translator notes: It is unclear whether Toriyama means Freeza was born from only one parent, or emphasizing that only Cold carried these traits.
The way it's phrased in Japanese, I think the latter is more likely. That is, "from his father alone" is modifying the traits Freeza was born with, rather than Freeza's birth itself. But, as noted, it's not entirely clear.

While we're on the subject, this is probably a good time to bring up how Freeza simply mentions his "parent" (oya) being the only one prior to Goku to ever get dust on him, even though sometimes the line gets translated as "parents".
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Duo » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:46 pm

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Mystic Buu wrote:It is said in translator notes: It is unclear whether Toriyama means Freeza was born from only one parent, or emphasizing that only Cold carried these traits.
The way it's phrased in Japanese, I think the latter is more likely. That is, "from his father alone" is modifying the traits Freeza was born with, rather than Freeza's birth itself. But, as noted, it's not entirely clear.

While we're on the subject, this is probably a good time to bring up how Freeza simply mentions his "parent" (oya) being the only one prior to Goku to ever get dust on him, even though sometimes the line gets translated as "parents".
I was actually curious about that, because Viz translated it as a plural. If it really does indicate he only had a single parent, then Toriyama-sensei may have actually had this sorted out in his head 20 years ago and just never said anything. Of course, that would seem a bit out of character. Still a possibility, though.

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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Fizzer » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:34 pm

But isn't that just that there is no plural in Japanese?

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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:02 pm

Freeza said that the "only people who ever caused him pain were his parentS" so who knows. Maybe King Cold does produce asexually but there are still "females" one of which could be Freeza's "mother"

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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Puto » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:19 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:Freeza said that the "only people who ever caused him pain were his parentS" so who knows.
Japanese doesn't have plurals that way. What he said in Japanese could be parsed as either 'parent' or 'parents'.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:40 pm

Knowing this now it seems that Linda Young's Freeza wasn't all that bad after all.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by penguintruth » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:53 pm

So much for my fanfiction characters of Queen Frigida, Freeza's sister Icelina, and Aunt Nippy.

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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:36 pm

Its not at all mentioned wether or not they even can reproduce but I guess they probably do something similar to Piccolo and purge themselves into new incarnates after they hatch.. though its weird that males would be dominant this way.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Herms » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:16 am

Fizzer wrote:But isn't that just that there is no plural in Japanese?
Calling 親/oya "singular" was an overstatement, but it is in contrast to something like 両親/ryoushin, which specifically means both parents.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by sonikku956 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:25 am

Say, aren't there multiple reptilian species that can give birth without a second gender? Maybe Freeza's kin is like that.

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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Blade » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:38 am

sonikku956 wrote:Say, aren't there multiple reptilian species that can give birth without a second gender? Maybe Freeza's kin is like that.
If you're referring to parthenogenesis, then it's not just reptilians that are capable, but insects and even some mammals too. Either way, though, that's a little different - as offspring produced via parthenogenesis are genetically identical to their mother, and saving for the occasional mutation with some male characteristics, always completely female. It's basically a last resort survival instinct that kicks in when unable to find a mate - but in some cases, such as the Indian Stick Insect, it has actually led to the males in the species totally dying out.

I think it's obvious looking at Freeza and Cold side-by-side that he's not a clone of his father, nurturistic/environmental changes aside.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"

Post by Nikkolas » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:56 am

Asexual Freeza complicates all the Freeza/Vegeta fanfiction and fanart.

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