Daizenshuu EX DB wiki...again

[Innagadadavida]

Any progress to speak of?

[Saimaroimaru]

Any progress to speak of?

Last I checked the site had turning into Blog Wiki.I talked to one dude and he said theres nothing to do on the wiki and nothing needs changing or something like that so now the trend is to blog.

[SHINOBI-03]

I don't know if we've discussed this or not, but would it okay to add funny captions like what they do at the Transformers and Madoka Magica wikis?

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[Herms]

I don't know if we've discussed this or not, but would it okay to add funny captions like what they do at the Transformers and Madoka Magica wikis?

I personally think stuff like that is pointless and that it's a mistake to try introducing something as subjective as humor into a cooperative and fact-based project like this. I also think captions as a whole are very overused in most of these fandom-based wikis, often providing unneeded explanations of pictures that speak for themselves. Not to mention that even if we did it, something like that would be just a bonus feature, to be added after the basics have been taken care of. It's not something we should be discussing when we still haven't written the first word of this thing.

[Innagadadavida]

Every time I use Google to look up something Dragon Ball related, the first result is always The Dragon Ball Wiki. I believe this travesty is our fault for not putting out a better alternative sooner.

[Hujio]

Every time I use Google to look up something Dragon Ball related, the first result is always The Dragon Ball Wiki. I believe this travesty is our fault for not putting out a better alternative sooner.

Point taken.

[Sean]

Every time I use Google to look up something Dragon Ball related, the first result is always The Dragon Ball Wiki. I believe this travesty is our fault for not putting out a better alternative sooner.

That's probably true, but it might also be that all the wikia wikis link to each other, and thus better search results.

[batistabus]

Personally, I think that this attempt to improve the Dragon Ball Wikia (dragonball.wikia.org) is actually making things worse. I think it should be left as what most of it's users see it and want it as...an English dub Dragon Ball Wikia. This current "mutt" that seems to be going on isn't really pleasing either side. If it were solely focused on the dub, it would be easier to maintain and less likely to contradict itself (except for in instances where that is impossible because of...ya know...the dub). It would still have a huge American fan base, and there wouldn't be cross-contamination issues.

[Bussani]

People are attempting to improve Dragon Ball Wikia?

[batistabus]

That's the impression I've gotten from reading posts from the Wikia staff here.

[Bussani]

Well, I suppose so, but...even if they'd just left it the way it was, the Wikia already had tons of misinformation that wasn't from the dub and didn't have anything to do with it being based on the English version. Rather than just leave it as it is because it's "good enough", we should leave it how it is because it's a lost cause.

[batistabus]

I might agree with you, but from what has been said, it seems that the admins there are really interested in keeping it running.

[Bussani]

Well, they can do that. I don't think what they do matters to most of us.

[Innagadadavida]

Well... Kind of, it does. I did three Google searches with very basic Dragon Ball terms: "Goku", "Kuririn", and "Capsule Corp". As expected, Dragon Ball Wiki is the second referral right under Wikipedia. Even when I used the manga translation for Kuririn, it refers me to the Dragon Ball Wiki page for "Krillin". And the DB Wiki is the first result when one looks up "Capsule Corp".

The point is, when you are on the first page of Google search results, you pull a lot of weight. That is the general publics' first stop for Dragon Ball knowledge. Its a shame because that site has no order, has no focus, and no consistency. That reflects poorly on the franchise, and us fans in general.

[Pokewhiz7]

I personally suggested they just completely reformat every article and start from scratch, but they never responded. Though, I don't know if that's possible without just closing it.

[Ashura]

My personal hope for this wiki is that we'll be allowed to catalog all the different home video releases a bit more definitively. There are 100s of articles on the boards about the different DVD releases, but they're so unorganized it takes hours to find the information you need. There's a bunch of info on here about the French releases which was invaluable to a project I was doing, but it took me hours to find.

Something like this level of catalog: http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_CD

Except with covers and comparison shots.

[Nex Carnifex]

I prefer referencing the manga because it makes more sense without all the inconsistencies and inconsistent feats introduced with filler, GT, weird animation anomalies (Frieza's timer), etc. The Dragon Ball universe is best realized from the source material, everything else is elaborate fan fiction for money. I just think this Wiki should clearly state whether something is taken from the manga (source) or not. Also if you look at the definition of canon it gives the example of Shakespeare and how his canon is only his original stories, wouldn't that make the manga the official db canon?

[AgitoZ]

I prefer referencing the manga because it makes more sense without all the inconsistencies and inconsistent feats introduced with filler, GT, weird animation anomalies (Frieza's timer), etc.

This has basically already reached a consensus.

The Dragon Ball universe is best realized from the source material, everything else is elaborate fan fiction for money.

Wha...

Also if you look at the definition of canon it gives the example of Shakespeare and how his canon is only his original stories, wouldn't that make the manga the official db canon?

Well...no. If you're gonna define DB's "canon" like Shakespeare's canon then you can either mean all authentic works from Toriyama or the franchise itself. The former would include things like Cowa! to collaborations like Cross Epoch. The latter would include everything from GT to DB Heroes. No need to bog down the wiki with things like "canon", which as stated time and time again, there still isn't an official one.

[hleV]

I just think this Wiki should clearly state whether something is taken from the manga (source) or not.

I'm certain that that's the way it would be done, without anyone really needing to suggest that.

[Bussani]

Also if you look at the definition of canon it gives the example of Shakespeare and how his canon is only his original stories, wouldn't that make the manga the official db canon?

No, because that's only one example. "Official canon" can vary significantly between authors and franchises depending on what the people in charge want. Paramount, for instance, maintains that Star Trek's official canon is "anything that happens on screen and nothing more." There's no easy to to work out what an official canon contains because it can literally be whatever the people in charge say, and since no one's given any official word on Dragon Ball's canon, it has none.