Broly's Ki Rising: Fact or Fiction?!

[Nazi Cola]

Simple question as always. In Movie 8, Broly states that his ki is rising, then proceeds to expel some of it. The question here is: does it continuously rise, or in another respect, replenish itself?

[Herms]

Neither? I've never understood why that line is seen as so important. How's it any different from all the other times characters are described as having rising ki?

[Savage68]

Broly's ki rises, even against his will. And it reaches a very set-in-stone cap, at a certain point.

I don't know what all the fuss is.

[Nazi Cola]

The fuss comes from both sides I guess. People claiming his ki constantly rises and replenishes itself, so he's never really at anything less than full power; and then people claiming he somehow gets weaker once he reaches the limit of his body.

[Perfect]

Broly's ki rises, even against his will. And it reaches a very set-in-stone cap, at a certain point.

I don't know what all the fuss is.

His power is maximum.

[Haji]

Well the thing is, it's not like it's unlimited. He just always has a flow of ki going through him. Maybe that's why he's so hungry to destroy (kinda gives me chills). Ok, imagine a bucket always having water flowing into it -- sooner or later you have to dispense it or it will overflow. That's the same with Broly, like when he had to discharge it. The Legendary SSJ form is just like a force; he has to destroy. He's like a wildfire or hurricane. In a way, I dunno, it's like he has to feed. In one of the games he states he will destroy the universe little by little. That's what gives me chills. It's like his own doom and he knows it.

[Ussj Future Trunks]

I never saw the line as meaning it CONSTANTLY rises. More like it was rising for that particular moment. After all, it was never ever brought up again as a plot point by anyone. Not even Goku cared to say his power was rising. As that should be something he would have noticed.

[The Tori-bot]

Broly's ki rises, even against his will. And it reaches a very set-in-stone cap, at a certain point.

I don't know what all the fuss is.

His power is maximum.

Oh, come on, we all know it's only funny when I do it.

[Cipher]

The fact that any significance is attached to this line baffles me. He had just transformed and noted that his ki was rising/overflowing. Great.

If he was supposed to have some sort of super power that made his ki continuously rise, that would have been a major point in every one of his movies, all supplementary material, etc.

[Maphisto86]

I think it all due to the point in Movie 8 where in the middle of the fight the big guy look's distressed and notes that his power is overflowing. Broly then unleashes a bunch of ki blasts that ravage the surrounding area from his body, which lowers his energy level. Broly then looks relieved and continues the fight as strong as before. Think of it as having too much gas . . . LSSj flatulence is a dangerous, horrible thing to witness.

Anyway, in all seriousness though I think that is what suggests to fans that Broly's power keeps repleneshing itself. However this is not set in stone and only appears to happen once in all of his movie appearances. Broly's ki also hit's a limit as Savage68 pointed out earlier and looks to cause him pain. In my opinion this is similar to what happens to Freeza and so that is why he limits his power through using lower transformations. The difference with Broly is that many fans feel that his abilities as a LSSj allow him to replenish his ki over the course of a battle so he can put a lot more into his attacks. Yet many more fans mistake this to mean his power rises without limit and thus the "his power is maximum" mentality that leads them to think Broly is one of the strongest characters in the entire franchise. Yet really LSSj simply seems to give Broly a power similar to the androids, albeit his power does have a limit and I believe Broly does get worn out but he can take damage and dish it out much better than his opponents of similar strength.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Neither? I've never understood why that line is seen as so important. How's it any different from all the other times characters are described as having rising ki?

Because the Broly fanboys always use it to make Broly more powerful than he actually is, as if Broly's battle power is unlimited and continuously rising.

[Kaboom]

It seems to me that Broly does have some sort of special Ki-thing going on from his "Legendary" condition. Far as I can figure, he's got a natural equivalent of Android 17 and 18's Infinite Energy Cores. His Ki is constantly growing and thus replenishing itself. So even if he gets injured, he'll still have plenty of energy and stamina with which to keep on rampaging. So he's not invincible; he's just a freakin' tank; able to take all kinds of punishment and still go on fighting.

And the longer he stays powered up while fighting, the more excess energy is going to build up. Eventually, like we saw in Movie 8, he's forced to expel the extra. If he hadn't, it might have ended up hurting him. I would say the reason this never happened in Movie 10 is a combination of a few reasons: 1) He got off to a slow start in this fight. Instead of all his power exploding out at once, like when he broke free from Paragus' influence in Movie 8, he started out at regular Super Saiyan against the boys and kind of worked his way up. 2) He didn't have as much of an overwhelming advantage in Movie 10. A few of Gohan's moves actually hurt and stunned him. So Broly was probably actually using more energy and thus wasting less.

It also is the best way to explain how he got so darn strong over the course of his life with relatively little or no training or zenkais. His Ki just grows and grows over time (even while still in the womb!) without him having to do anything. But his body is eventually going to hit limits. My pet theory is that his "Legendary" Super Saiyan stage is the byproduct of him having too much welling Ki for his untrained body to handle. It's essentially just the "Grades" stages taken to an extreme.

[Dayspring]

It seems to me that Broly does have some sort of special Ki-thing going on from his "Legendary" condition. Far as I can figure, he's got a natural equivalent of Android 17 and 18's Infinite Energy Cores. His Ki is constantly growing and thus replenishing itself. So even if he gets injured, he'll still have plenty of energy and stamina with which to keep on rampaging. So he's not invincible; he's just a freakin' tank; able to take all kinds of punishment and still go on fighting.

And the longer he stays powered up while fighting, the more excess energy is going to build up. Eventually, like we saw in Movie 8, he's forced to expel the extra. If he hadn't, it might have ended up hurting him. I would say the reason this never happened in Movie 10 is a combination of a few reasons: 1) He got off to a slow start in this fight. Instead of all his power exploding out at once, like when he broke free from Paragus' influence in Movie 8, he started out at regular Super Saiyan against the boys and kind of worked his way up. 2) He didn't have as much of an overwhelming advantage in Movie 10. A few of Gohan's moves actually hurt and stunned him. So Broly was probably actually using more energy and thus wasting less.

It also is the best way to explain how he got so darn strong over the course of his life with relatively little or no training or zenkais. His Ki just grows and grows over time (even while still in the womb!) without him having to do anything. But his body is eventually going to hit limits. My pet theory is that his "Legendary" Super Saiyan stage is the byproduct of him having too much welling Ki for his untrained body to handle. It's essentially just the "Grades" stages taken to an extreme.

For some time now I also saw LSSJ as simply SSJ-G3. I attributed his crazy power gains from birth and the inability to lose power in LSSJ as being a mutation (like some or all of the Ginyu Force members). Now I'm going to use a hybrid of these two theories: mutation à la Ginyu Force = natural equivalent of the androids' infinite energy. Having so allows him to become an overpowered SSJ-G3, which is seen as "LSSJ."

Even the speed discrepency works with these theories: SSJ-G2 is faster than SSJ, while SSJ-G3 is merely slower than SSJ-G2. Since it's not known if that means SSJ-G3 is slower than regular SSJ or not, it's ok for Broly to keep up with the SSJs.

[Kaboom]

For some time now I also saw LSSJ as simply SSJ-G3.

Well to be specific, I'd more call it a "Grade 4." Judging from appearance it does seem to be even bigger and mightier. I'd consider it more or less Broly's equivalent of SSj2, whereas Grade 3 falls a little short of having that much power.

Even the speed discrepancy works with these theories: SSJ-G2 is faster than SSJ, while SSJ-G3 is merely slower than SSJ-G2. Since it's not known if that means SSJ-G3 is slower than regular SSJ or not, it's ok for Broly to keep up with the SSJs.

Funny thing, though? That's not even a problem. Broly has no speed feats! Zero!

Back when I was first trying to figure this out (to "contribute" to a topic on the late great MFG), I went back and carefully and meticulously re-watched Movie 8 and took note of Broly's actions. At LSSj, he never shows himself to be faster than the heroes. In fact, for the most part, the heroes are just dumb and try to match his bull-like charging head-on instead of getting out of the way. And Broly himself certainly never bothered trying to dodge anything; he just tanked whatever they threw at him.

The same holds true for Movie 10. Despite being somewhat weaker, Gohan actually outruns Broly. His entire strategy with the lava actually seemed to depend on Broly being slower than him.

[Maphisto86]

Yeah it does make sense that Broly would be slower due to his large bulk in LSSj form but as we saw with Oozaru's (optimal example is probably Vegeta) that a large amount of ki can help overcome the burden of throwing around all that weight. I am guessing that you need a lot of ki though since SSj-Gr.3 is very powerful but still slow. Obviously Broly did not have as much a problem with catching up with his enemies as Trunks did in his first confrontation with Perfect Cell.