Ginyu Squad: Freeza's top goons, or outsourced fighters?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:19 pm

After recently reading most of the Namek saga, I came across the idea that maybe that Ginyu's team wasn't the highest ranking warriors in Freeza's army, so much as they were hired by him like the Saiyans were.

What's your take on this?

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:29 pm

I don't see why they couldn't be the highest ranking. At that time, the only one more powerful twas Frieza himself. All of Frieza's other goons were nobodies. Well, at least at that point.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:30 pm

I always thought they were Freeza's men but did their own thing in a sort of assassin like business on the side.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:45 pm

I think they were Freeza's best fighters. His own private band of killers that he used like a cool toy set.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:46 pm

I think that the Ginyu Tokusentai is the strongest Freeza had to offer. I think it was stated that they were the strongest in the universe only comparable, to what they knew, of Freeza. Ginyu even said that he thought that his strength was second to Freeza's when Goku's 180,000 Kaio-Ken was surpassing his 120,000 Battle Power.

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:21 pm

Yea, their bizarre powers and techniques was another indicator for their uniqueness to Freeza (Baata's speed, Gurudo's telekinesis, Gynu's change technique). Kaio even feared them and looked at them as a threat just as dangerous as Freeza.

Kinda.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:22 pm

Post by **Herms** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:45 am

I'm not aware of anything in the series itself or the guides that refers to them as anything other than Freeza's underlings.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:59 am

I think they're an elite special force football team. Who dance the Hare Hare Yukai. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMd5dDP--1s (9:00)

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:07 am

I think as Freeza as the most powerful drug lord and he has his private assasins for whoever betrays him and then he's got the workers (the saiyans and other weird aliens) who is passing the drugs.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:12 am

It seems to me that the Ginyu force is something of an independent assassin team, but at the same time they're loyal to Freeza... so if ever Freeza has something for them to do, their his; otherwise, they do whatever the fish they want.
... Like be the mascots for the universe's most heavily traffic'd Dairy Queen.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:43 am

Dayspring wrote:"...they were hired by him like the Saiyans were.

I guess you could say that the Saiyans were hired, since they worked voluntarily for Freeza and got something very valuable to them in return - good fights all over the Universe.
It's only because the Saiyans happily accepted working for Freeza that they weren't forced to work for him. Most other races just got an offer they couldn't refuse. I think this is also where the hatred against Saiyans (within the empire) comes from. Since the Saiyans were the only ones in the empire who were able to keep their world and their way of life. Life even got better for them in the empire. If I had my home-planet and life destroyed, I'd be pretty pissed off at someone who didn't have.

Of course, the are some people in Freeza's army that were so evil that they wouldn't give a shit about their home-world. Ginyu's squad are probably like that, as well. They were born as mutants in their world, so they probably didn't feel quite at home anyway.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:48 pm

It's obvious they respond to Freeza's orders, but I figured they had their own thing going too. Maybe it's just status for being the best. Captain Ginyu has authority over who is in it. I imagine the average squad is assembled by Freeza or some regional commander, but Ginyu gets to hand pick. He seems to have leeway in how he conducts a mission.

Maybe it's like Fable. You've got Academy Heroes who mill about in standard gear doing whatever is ordered, and you've got Heroes (or Villains) like your character and some notable NPCs who choose their missions like job postings, taking assignments they want. But every now and then the Guild Master or an elder Hero will have a specific task you need to complete.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:52 pm

Terra-jin wrote:
Dayspring wrote:"...they were hired by him like the Saiyans were.
I guess you could say that the Saiyans were hired, since they worked voluntarily for Freeza and got something very valuable to them in return - good fights all over the Universe.

...

Didn't the Saiyans sell the planets after they killed all the life on it? I'm pretty sure Vegeta chastised Nappa for his big first explosion because it's stupid to damage a planet you're trying to sell and it'd also be stupid to destroy one of the Dragonballs if one was in the area.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:40 pm

Well the plot by the Saiyan saga revolved around the Saiyans being on top of the planet trade. However, by the time Freeza was introduced it became clear that he was the head of the trade instead. In this light, it becomes strange that Vegeta would care for a planet he wasn't originally supposed to get ready for sale. If Vegeta were the head of the trade, I can imagine him being careful with planets, but if Freeza is the man, Vegeta wouldn't care about it.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:45 pm

I personally got the impression that the Saiyans sold the planets to Frieza, who would either use them or trade them, etc. Y'know, the Saiyans were the wholesalers, and Frieza was a retailer, if I were to generalize the relationship.

It seemed to me that the Saiyans didn't think of themselves as goons. I thought this was further cemented with Vegeta saying to Dodoria that he did not regret the death of his family or friends, but that he was a slave his entire life "without even knowing it".

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:45 pm

Terra-jin wrote:Well the plot by the Saiyan saga revolved around the Saiyans being on top of the planet trade. However, by the time Freeza was introduced it became clear that he was the head of the trade instead. In this light, it becomes strange that Vegeta would care for a planet he wasn't originally supposed to get ready for sale. If Vegeta were the head of the trade, I can imagine him being careful with planets, but if Freeza is the man, Vegeta wouldn't care about it.

Kwi says that the Saiyans didn't get Freeza's approval for the whole Earth expedition. Vegeta may've been hoping that even if the Dragonballs fell through, he could present a planet to Freeza - a planet apparently on the list somewhere, since Kakarot was sent there in the first place.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:02 pm

Yeah, as a means to justify the expedition in case the Dragonballs didn't work out. That sounds like our crafty Vegeta, allright.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:16 pm

Terra-jin wrote:Yeah, as a means to justify the expedition in case the Dragonballs didn't work out. That sounds like our crafty Vegeta, allright.

That doesn't sound right at all, to me anyway. Vegeta didn't report back to Frieza before heading to Earth.

Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz were hanging out in OUTER SPACE.

They had a planet to work on, as per Raditz's monologue.

It's apparently gonna be a pretty big job, so Raditz thinks "Oh yeah! I got a brother out there somewhere! I'll just go to earth, pick him up, and we can add another member to our genocidal party team!"

Vegeta signs off on it, off goes Raditz.

Raditz gets killed, Vegeta and Nappa hear about the Dragon Balls. So they head to earth. They possibly stop by Arlia on the way, presumably to pick up some black hair dye and correctly-colored armor for Vegeta.

Vegeta hopes to find the Dragon Balls, wish for Immortality, and then sell the planet. I'm assuming before he did that, he'd kill Shenlong like Piccolo Daimou did, if he didn't already kill Piccolo and make someone say "the balls are inert".

Well, his plan gets fucked up. So that's when he gets crafty and decides to find some deaf, dumb, and blind Namekain kid to be a Dragonball wizard.

Seemed to me that Vegeta always felt like he was freelancing.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:22 pm

But Vegeta doesn't sell planets. He just works for Freeza - he gets assignments, carries them out and gets the next one. One constraint to this assignment is that he can't damage the planet. If it's damaged, it's less valuable to Freeza.

Now, before going to Earth for the Dragonballs, Vegeta knows that Freeza won't like him going off on his own. If the plan with the Dragonball works, he can declare open war to Freeza and it won't matter, but if it doesn't he'll have to stay with him. In the latter scenario, Freeza would be pissed off at Vegeta, but he knows that if he presents an undamaged planet it may calm Freeza's wrath. Just view it as a safety measure.

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