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To be honest, I think there is no statement regarding each Tamagami being stronger than the previous one. That seems more like a headcanon. They could easily be equals and the story would not change anything. They are all still weaker than SSJ2. Tamagami 2 would only surpass the others after Neva ...

I think the whole Base Goku vs Glorio fight isn't really the same as other Toei scenes of Base Saiyans doing better than usual, the reason is because unlike those, Base Goku's showings here are backed up with statements, such as Goku saying he will use one hand, Shin wanting Goku to fight seriously ...

Goku and Vegeta literally train with Whis for months and for 3 years in the RoSaT.

Them not being a lot stronger than their Boo arc selfs is nonsense.

Nah they were already approaching their limits, Vegeta said that himself in the U6 arc before going to the RoSaT, and Goku also said the same in ...

Thinking about it, Shin being weaker than Base Goku in the Buu Arc also supports how Goku didn't really increase his base strength as much in DBS (ToP arc) compared to DBZ, at least in the manga. Remember in that Exhibition Tournament that Shin and the other Supreme Kais couldn't resist Rumsshi's ...

I feel like one way to possibly end most people's doubts is Piccolo's role in Daima. Let's remember that Piccolo will also be a relevant character alongside Goku and Vegeta.

In the opening, Piccolo is seen powering up alongside SSJ Vegeta, and while I don't think openings are indication of anything ...

From what the manga shows, Gohan and Goku are on par, with not that much evidence to show which one of both was stronger. Gohan does seem to have an edge in the offensive, but Goku has more of an edge in the deffensive. I do believe Goku would have eventually won with his skills and experience ...

I do have to say that I did see plenty of people who were angry at the leaks showing Beast Gohan on par with UI Goku. On Twitter (mostly the spanish speakers, I know since I am spanish speaker myself), most of them complained at how illogical it was for a random power up like Beast being able to ...

I do have to say that I did see plenty of people who were angry at the leaks showing Beast Gohan on par with UI Goku. On Twitter (mostly the spanish speakers, I know since I am spanish speaker myself), most of them complained at how illogical it was for a random power up like Beast being able to ...

In a recent chapter from Super Hero arc, from what Trunks recalled, Piccolo wouldn’t be able to beat Dr. Hedo androids that he and Goten defeated.

But you also have to remember that each android that Goten and Trunks fought against was far stronger than the previous one. By logic, Trunks ...

People should understand what Toriyama is saying.

Toriyama clearly said that since Cell Max doesn't have his brain, he can't beat Broly. But if he had a brain, then he would be above Broly.

This shows that the Cell Max seen in the movie would not be able to defeat Broly in a fight, since he wasn't ...

How strong was Piccolo in the anime ToP? He doesn't really have many fights in the arc and the ones he does have give a vague impression of his power. Piccolo fights and defeats Rubalt from U10 which doesn't tell us much. The two fights that seem to give us any idea of how strong he might be ...

How strong was Piccolo in the anime ToP? He doesn't really have many fights in the arc and the ones he does have give a vague impression of his power. Piccolo fights and defeats Rubalt from U10 which doesn't tell us much. The two fights that seem to give us any idea of how strong he might be are ...

Nah, they are not. That was obviously retconned. Otherwise, pretty much every character would have to be stronger than SSG Goku which doesn't make sense with the context of the story.

I have the Base Saiyans at BEST weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan as implied in the manga Future Trunks Arc during the ...

My instance on this is that Piccolo doesn't really need to be above Base Goku due to his feat against Frost, HOWEVER he shouldn't be drastically weaker than Base Goku. If he is weaker, then it shouldn't be by such a large amount. Frost would still be far stronger than him since he would be in the ...

My perspective of the powerscaling would likely be:

Beerus > Gods of Destruction > Beast Gohan > Broly > Ultra Instinct Goku ~ Jiren >=< Cell Max (Incomplete) > Golden Frieza > Blue Goku/Blue Vegeta > Orange Piccolo > Ultimate Gohan > Gammas > Ultimate Piccolo > SSJ Gohan > Base Gohan > Piccolo ...

I'm pretty sure the interview was referring that if Cell Max had been truly completed with a brain he would have been able to defeat Broly. We see that Cell Max still lacked the brain, so he wasn't 100% completed.

This means the Cell Max we see in the movie is weaker than Broly, and by extension ...

Just think about this: Can SSJ Goku/100% Freeza glate away the Freeza Saga Genki-Dama?



UI Sign obviously has to be far more 50x. SSB KKx20 lowballing it to the absolute minimum is alone a 8,000 multiplier. UI Sign > SSB KKx20, c’mon now.


How is Kaio-Ken x20 8,000x stronger than SSJB bro ...

"should not take" I mean, lol, sorry for the mix up there.

I will say we should know take the wafer cards seriously. They are fun to analyse but they aren't really the definite proof of power scaling in the story.

Orange Piccolo himself is placed at 8100, that's way too close to Beast Gohan based on what we see in the movie.

There's also no way Piccolo was comparing them to their base forms. They wouldn't be hyping up the Gammas that much if they were just said to be as weak as that, pretty sure that's not how a story works. Piccolo even treated their threat as if it was such a big deal, which wouldn't be the case ...