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I thought it was clearly implied and said during the tournament that Goku was improving his strength every time, even without Omen. Even Vegeta said that all saiyans had surpassed their limits throughout the tournament, with one of the flashbacks showing us Ultimate Gohan (which means he got stronge...

Gohan defeats Cell easily.

He was used as a measure stick by the time of the Buu Saga. Cell was only compared to Dabura.

Based on that, Gohan was always intended to be much stronger than Cell at his max.

I believe training with someone far stronger than himself gives Piccolo crazy gains. Back then, when training with SSJ Goku for 3 years for the arrival of the androids, Piccolo went from way weaker than Base Goku to close to SSJ Goku. After the Cell Games, Piccolo only trained by himself or just me...

Except there ARE evidences in the tournament that show he was. Either nerfed, or simply holding back tremendously. It’s all the same in the end. The point is that he CLEARLY wasn’t using the strength he used later on against Anilaza , Toppo and Jiren, or the level he used when he fought Goku during...

As the above examples show, Goku is more used to the gravity. Goku was moving in 100G much better than Kid Trunks was in 150G even though he was much much weaker at the start of the Namek Arc. His natural power topped off at 90K whereas Kid Trunks had to have a base that was the barest minimum 10x ...

I've already mentioned that it was stated that Kid Goku was able to train in this room for a month. This Gohan is at least 100,000x stronger than Kid Goku so this shouldn't even be remotely described as heavy by Gohan if we go by your logic. I can't really address your other points because you're s...

I believe training with someone far stronger than himself gives Piccolo crazy gains. Back then, when training with SSJ Goku for 3 years for the arrival of the androids, Piccolo went from way weaker than Base Goku to close to SSJ Goku. After the Cell Games, Piccolo only trained by himself or just med...

Moro Saga Piccolo is the strongest person behind Gohan in the fight against Saganbo. That's obviously the case here, what is shown and what is stated according to Goku, who said Piccolo and Gohan got drastically stronger. Both managed to put up a fight and hold their own. Gohan did better than the r...

Remember when Gohan entered the RoSaT for the first time? He had never tried heavy gravity before, yet he only felt the gravity slightly heavier and could still freely move. Right, and this was gravity that Kid Goku with a power less than he had in the 23rd tournament could withstand. That fact tha...

Yeah, there isn't any nerfing going on. Most of the fighters were holding back to either conserve energy, which 17 doesn't have to worry about, or to keep from killing their opposition. It's exactly what ZombieVito says there. Then explain how 17 wasn't able to handle the gravity of the Pretty Blac...

Also, "17 wouldn't go full power or otherwise he would kill his opponents". He doesn't need to be full power. He could have easily beaten Ribrianne, the last 3 U2 members from Episode 118, and the U3 robot he was fighting with alongside 18, without even killing them if he uses more of his power. But...

Yeah, there isn't any nerfing going on. Most of the fighters were holding back to either conserve energy, which 17 doesn't have to worry about, or to keep from killing their opposition. It's exactly what ZombieVito says there. Then explain how 17 wasn't able to handle the gravity of the Pretty Blac...

New match: (probably have been done for death): - Vegetto Blue vs. Jiren Black Saga Vegito loses. Post ToP Vegito wins. Vegito loses. Jiren is between GoD+ to low angel tier. Vegito/Gogeta as of now, I think are below MUI level. Or Moro level. We don't know how strong are fusions compared to MUI le...

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Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:47 pm

New match: (probably have been done for death):

- Vegetto Blue vs. Jiren

Black Saga Vegito loses. Post ToP Vegito wins.

No problem. For future reference, I'm the nipple guy :lol: Yeah. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. :) Yes. I already corrected myself when I remembered it was stated that Gohan was the strongest on earth when Goku/Vegeta are absent. I was already corrected on 17 not defeating 7-3 with Gohan's powers....

No problem. For future reference, I'm the nipple guy :lol: Yeah. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. :) Yes. I already corrected myself when I remembered it was stated that Gohan was the strongest on earth when Goku/Vegeta are absent. I was already corrected on 17 not defeating 7-3 with Gohan's powers....

And that's not what I'm telling you, either. I agree with you that 17 is probably weaker than Gohan. He is certainly weaker than Gohan though. That shouldn't even be a debate. Gohan was already much stronger in the ToP, and then got even stronger and barely recognizable according to Goku. Gohan wou...

He defeated 73 with a previous weaker version of Moro's powers. Where is this 'weaker version of Moro's powers' position coming from? The whole premise of Moro's restoration is that his fully-powered self is backed up in OG73-I at this point. Why would that be from the way stronger version of Moro?...

What exactly was so impressive about Saganbo anyway? People keep using him to wank Goku to insane levels. He beat Gohan and 17. So what? Both of them are not impressive. Gohan stalemated a nerfed fusion, was stated as being weaker than Goku in the ToP and 17 is even weaker than him. Even Piccolo is...

Goku says in the manga that 17 is just as strong as him. His onscreen feats in the anime support this. That random Toei writer completely contradicts what is depicted on screen in the anime and manga. I've said my piece. I've said why. This is all opinion. Quit busting my balls. Yet Gohan was calle...