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by Supaman
Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:59 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Theory on Kaioken
Replies: 20
Views: 6949

Re: Theory on Kaioken

There was a point where I was reading the Viz translation and started piecing it together that maybe the "x2, x3, etc." referred to the Kaio-ken itself, not Goku's power
If the SSJ is a x10, then this is the only possibility. But

[spoiler] https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/27/2 ...
by Supaman
Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:54 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Theory on Kaioken
Replies: 20
Views: 6949

Re: Theory on Kaioken

No,
Kaioken allows an amplification of the Ki . Then, with the chance (control of this Ki), allows to multiply the combat force.
Goku distinguishes the Ki and what makes up the fighting force. The amplification of the Ki and its control allow, with luck, to multiply the combat force (or combat power ...
by Supaman
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:19 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Could this 10x SSJ work?
Replies: 12
Views: 3991

Re: Could this 10x SSJ work?

In my opinion, there were not really any specific multipliers when he drew the manga. A boost just makes it a little stronger than the previous boost (Kaioken x3, x10, SSJ2, SSJ3). Only power up.
BUT
If there were, it would look like this :
[spoiler] https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/26/6 ...
by Supaman
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:45 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: On transformation multipliers 10 and 50 for SSJ.
Replies: 10
Views: 3084

Re: On transformation multipliers 10 and 50 for SSJ.

The effects of the Kaioken are simply degressive.
The more power is amplified the more it is heavy and hard to control.
For example,
Kaioken x2 => Goku base x2
Kaioken x3 => Goku base x2,8
Kaioken x10 => Goku base x4
Kaioken x20 => Goku base x5

Then for Toriyama, ´Goku SSJ = Goku base x10.

The ...
by Supaman
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:12 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Could this 10x SSJ work?
Replies: 12
Views: 3991

Re: Could this 10x SSJ work?

The power of Kaioken is degressive.
Kaio said that the power of the Kaioken beyond Kaioken x2 is too heavy for the body.
In others words, Kaioken x2 amplifies Ki by 2 and multiplies by 2 the battle force. Kaioken x3 amplifies Ki by 3 but multiplies the battle force by a bit less than 3 ...
by Supaman
Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:07 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is there any evidence to support the regular Kaioken being a 1.5x multiplier?
Replies: 6
Views: 1512

Re: Is there any evidence to support the regular Kaioken being a 1.5x multiplier?

The last post of mine :
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35647

With kanzenban's translation.

The Power of the (régular) Kaioken is a x1,5 or +50%.
Kaioken x2 multiplies this power (on the regular Kaioken) by 2. So this is a x2 or +100%.
Kaioken x10 multiplies this power by 10 ...
by Supaman
Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:35 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why is Goku's power level listed as 8,000 even though it is clearly stated to be over 8,000?
Replies: 9
Views: 2375

Re: Why is Goku's power level listed as 8,000 even though it is clearly stated to be over 8,000?

Daizenshuu (and other SEG) are official, ok. But they aren't canon (as Toriyama).

I think Goku was at 8400.
So,
Goku base 8400 (over 8000)
Goku kaioken (x1) : 12600 (+50%)
Goku kaioken (x2) : 16800 (+100%)
Goku kaioken (x3) : 21000 (+150%)
by Supaman
Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:11 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Theory on Kaioken
Replies: 20
Views: 6949

Re: Theory on Kaioken

Hi everyone !
I am one of those who think that the kaioken (x1) does exist.
I'm french so excuse me for my expression.

2 years ago, I thought too that "kaioken = kaioken x2", like the most of people. But when I saw the Toriyama's interview, I began to change my opinion.

First of all, there is a ...