Kanzenshuu

So Hit is starting to lose to Dyspo cos Dyspo is too fast for his Time Skip. We all know Hit isn't just Time Skip, he has other skills and has the ability to "adapt", as he adapted to SSB KKX10 Goku.

Goku suddenly jumps into the fight and says I'm taking Dyspo from here. Hit never asked him to do ...

Thats the only in story reason I can think of why someone who would never ramble on an on within earshot of the fighters, ended up doing so. In fact when Goku fought Frieza, Piccolo picked up on the fact that his very thoughts were distracting Goku. So he put a lot of distance between them and told ...

Uh...characters in DB have been caught off-guard on multiple occasions even in fights, so why exactly would they always be on-guard and use their powers to dodge physical interactions with other people in their everyday lives? It's not like Gohan had any reason to be thinking of dodging an attack ...

In the anime. Videl then, having seen photographic evidence of Gohan kissing someone else on the lips, instantly dismisses any thought that there may be something to this and immedately berates the messenger.

An understandable response if it was an accusation with nothing behind it. Not ...

Plus, it's a good old case of suspension of disbelief. Vegeta could have crossed the distance at whatever speed, but the story needed him to stop cold on his tracks just before hitting Gas.

Science really does not apply in those stories.


It's a bit of an exaggeration to call it science. I mean ...

Fans only think he didnt because he got destroyed even after mastering it. So they think there has to be more than this?!

No, there is no more. That's it. Evolved Ultra Ego.

Told you so. UI is shown to be massively superior. Just like I said it would be, something that was, and is, easily forseeable. Vegeta achieved his goal if being different from Goku in and of itself was his goal. If his goal was being able to beat UI Goku, then he never stood a chance by learning ...

During Vegeta's final charge on Gas, Gas appears to cover up in fear.

But then Gas opens his eyes and sees Vegeta's charge has stopped completely. All the momentum is gone.

For this to happen this means Vegeta isn't flying at Gas with the speed of a missile, because he'd hit Gas anyway whether ...

While I see your point is some way, we have to realise the majority of these fights aren't a sporting event, combat where they prove themselves in safe environment, in majority these are life and death consequence fights and the thing fought for, is our planet, world or worlds, or even the entire ...

Celebrate what you will. It's still a comic made for little Japanese children. It is not that serious to get worked up about the psychology of its make believe characters.


The manga isn't a comic made for little children, hence the bloody impaling etc. It has an older target audience. Its not ...

Vegeta doesn't usually interrupt Goku when he's fighting. Not even when he's losing. And rarely almost never against Gokus wishes.

Meanwhile Goku has interrupted Vegeta to the point where Vegeta has assaulted Goku physically, verbally screamed at him and turned his head away from his opponent ...

His personality, his character.
I can only see that happening if some really really strong big, really big bad that's taking their time to arrive is coming their way, and they can only fight them by cheating their way up.

They have an even better and easier answer to getting stronger: the DBs ...

Forget meditation, forget sparring or any kind of conventional training. If manga Vegeta just steals or some way gets a lot of senzu beans out of Korin, then he could get Goku, or Piccolo or Beerus, or anyone with power to just beat him bloodlied and swollen all day. then heal up at the end ...

So when I hear the as strong as Goku and Vegeta line, I just hear these androids are two jobbers who would easily be surpassed with one day of serious training for Piccolo or Gohan.

It doesn't make me think WOW as strong as those powerhouses? How will they ever get out of this without the saiyans ...

Roshi dodging Jiren is the most impactful example demonstrating that Ultra Instinct is more about skill than raw power.


At the cost of burying the actual UI, cos when Goku fails to dodge anything from opponents such as Gas when the power gap between his Saiyan UI and Gas is less than Roshi and ...

First time I've heard the manga ToP called "magic". Usually it gets lambasted. Rightly so imo. I didnt like the manga or anime ToP.

Cool.

Its when they gave up entirely on scaling and making sense in general.


I don't give a shit about the power level community and their inability to ...

why keep following it?


In the hopes that the narrative will get better.

It's not rocket surgery here. We enjoyed the manga from the first tournament until the end of the tournament of power. That's like 6 years, man. Now we see it dipping and not being enjoyable, but we want it to be again ...

Vegeta doesnt want to win this way again? You mean when he held on to Gas for five seconds while everyone else was doing the winning around him? :lol: Look at how he's quiety taking credit for other people's work when he slips in this idea that he won anything. I wish for once someone would call him ...

Ultra Ego is exactly as bad as I thought it would be. Vegeta going his own way has put him exactly where I thought he would be. I will say it 'suits him' after all.

Goku has an issue with permanently killing people which is why he only uses such moves as last resort. But UE isn't inherently lethal.


No, but it does seem to be derived from Destruction, which as suggesting in the prior mentioned chapters is a technique Goku inherently bares some disdain for ...