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by TBMx
Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:25 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

Vegeta was objectively proven not to be a villain by the Eternal Dragon in the Buu arc. Him going back to calling himself a villain is an extreme regression. Why do fans feel the need to reinterpret his words to fit a more favourable interpretation? He did't say " I deserve hell for all the wrong I...
by TBMx
Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:13 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

You act like they are real people and Piccolo doesn’t know what he is talking about. Piccolo was literally acting as a mouth piece for Toyo in that chapter Sure the line about never underestimating his opponents was a little dumb. Although one can make an argument that Vegeta gets too cocky and ove...
by TBMx
Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:38 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

I am not inventing anything. Piccolo literally said what Vegeta was doing in that very same chapter: trying to atone. It wasn’t subtle at all. Toyo was literally beating you over the head with it. In But by Vegeta saying he is going to hell means he doesn’t think it’s enough. It’s not like this is ...
by TBMx
Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:53 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

Because you completely missed the point of that scene. Vegeta may see himself as bound for hell because he thinks that is what he deserves (whether that is true or not is besides the point). He doesn’t think all the good he can do is enough but he still wants to help others. So yes that entire chap...
by TBMx
Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

Again it was ONE scene. Sure it was a very nice moment and certainly better than what the anime did but there was no true journey or struggle to specifically get UI. They just built on previous history Goku had. I am not saying it was a bad moment but you are overemphasizing it to downgrade Vegeta....
by TBMx
Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:12 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

Goku literally got UI in one arc in the TOP. It didn’t come from years of training or struggles lol. There was no journey and then Goku completely mastered it literally an arc later after a couple months training with Merus. Most of the training with Whis prior was about SSB not about UI. UI was po...
by TBMx
Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:56 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

Watch and steal is another word for "ok i well train you", Beerus is just being a tsundere. Unless it takes years as well and is beyond difficult, it's still going to be cheap and devalued. We went from Vegeta near crippling himself in 400x gravity for SS1 and 2 to this. If its so good, it can riva...
by TBMx
Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:45 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

Yeah, its a simple question. If what Beerus says is true, why has no god of destruction ever surpassed their own angel? I don't like how easy this technique or form is being given to Vegeta. Watch and steal? That's not going to feel prestigious at all. Comes across like any Z fighter could have don...
by TBMx
Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:29 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

Yeah, its a simple question. If what Beerus says is true, why has no god of destruction ever surpassed their own angel? I don't like how easy this technique or form is being given to Vegeta. Watch and steal? That's not going to feel prestigious at all. Comes across like any Z fighter could have done...
by TBMx
Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:40 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

I like this direction, as there's no need to have both main characters be copies of one another. It also means we can have more interesting team ups with them, as each can make up what the other lacks. The ending of the Moro arc was great for this very reason, Vegeta lacked the physical power to fi...
by TBMx
Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:13 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: If Vegeta’s “goal” is TRULY to surpass Kakkarot.. Then he’s definitely going about it THE WRONG WAY!
Replies: 12
Views: 338

Re: If Vegeta’s “goal” is TRULY to surpass Kakkarot.. Then he’s definitely going about it THE WRONG WAY!

How is Vegeta still worse at emptying his mind than Mr Popo, after 4 years of Angel training and months of Spirit control meditation? It's insane how little he progresses. Its why I'm so shocked it took him this long to realize this wasn't working. Only when he saw Goku got it. And is only now hopin...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

This time they overplayed their hand when it comes to the teasing. Vegeta rivalling Goku from an inferior mentor with 1/20th of the training is obviously not happening. :lol: Its like with the Yardrat training. I was telling the people who were all hyped up, "Do you really expect him to rival Goku ...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

This topic is kinda overlapping with the other one, but I'd say that whatever Vegeta ends up with, it is probably likelier to end up complementing what Goku achieves rather than really challenging it, even though that's Vegeta's intention. And I'm interested to see in what way that might be the cas...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: If Vegeta’s “goal” is TRULY to surpass Kakkarot.. Then he’s definitely going about it THE WRONG WAY!
Replies: 12
Views: 338

Re: If Vegeta’s “goal” is TRULY to surpass Kakkarot.. Then he’s definitely going about it THE WRONG WAY!

Yeah, but his stated goal is to surpass Goku, so it don't make sense, does it. Why doesn't it suit him again? They've shown UI Omen isn't blank faced and mindless anymore. They had Vegeta calm and balance his mind with spirit control meditation. He polished it more than Goku's. Beerus can use UI for...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:01 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

This entire motivation for Vegeta literally only works if angels and GoD's are comparable. It doesn't work if gods of destr are fodder to angels. Why would Vegeta model himself off fodder to angels when Goku's modelling himself off angels when the goals to surpass Goku? Makes no sense. When Vegeta l...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:29 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

This time they overplayed their hand when it comes to the teasing. Vegeta rivalling Goku from an inferior mentor with 1/20th of the training is obviously not happening. :lol: Its like with the Yardrat training. I was telling the people who were all hyped up, "Do you really expect him to rival Goku f...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:54 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

This is essentially a random afterthought consolation handwave for the UI rejects. A quick way of powering up Vegeta so he can do his usual hype then job role. Goku's UI is the culmination of his entire life's teachings. Vegeta's whatever will be a hastily thrown together thing that will be mostly ...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:52 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

This is essentially a random afterthought consolation handwave for the UI rejects. A quick way of powering up Vegeta so he can do his usual hype then job role. Goku's UI is the culmination of his entire life's teachings. Vegeta's whatever will be a hastily thrown together thing that will be mostly ...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta new form?
Replies: 58
Views: 862

Re: Vegeta new form?

This is essentially a random afterthought consolation handwave for the UI rejects. A quick way of powering up Vegeta so he can do his usual hype then job role. Goku's UI is the culmination of his entire life's teachings. Vegeta's whatever will be a hastily thrown together thing that will be mostly t...
by TBMx
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:45 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegeta’s ridiculous situation..
Replies: 32
Views: 903

Re: Vegeta’s ridiculous situation..

Going down exactly the same paths as Goku has only ever landed Vegeta in second place. Goku joined Vegeta's path. Training with Whis was Vegeta's idea. So because Goku got UI first, its his path now? And Vegeta just has to leave? That's sad. "I joined you on your path and because I did better its m...