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by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:57 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

To me, it always seemed obvious. Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, and Toppo are all around the same SSB/Golden Freeza level, while Ultimate Gohan and 17 are around the same "below Blue" level.

How they compare to SSG is a more interesting question in my book.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Zarely wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:33 am
Goku, Vegeta, Frieza and Toppo are all equal to me.
In equivalent forms, pretty much the same for me. Well, besides Hakaishin Toppo who I think is still superior in terms of raw power compared to SSB/KKx20 and SSB/Evolution.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

There is nothing to support Cell Games base saiyans can take Namek Freeza, Goku's base not even with the greatest kaioken was close back then. It is all speculation due to not ever in the arc seeing a base saiyan fight. Or in the Buu arc for that matter, except fodder like Pui Pui or Yakon who were...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:31 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think a lot of the recent discussion misses some key context. For example, Future Trunks didn't beat Merged Zamasu with a Genkidama. He used a Genkidama SWORD. Blades are notoriously strong if you can form them, especially since Future Trunks formed it around his pure Ki sword. Also, Merged Zamasu...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:20 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is There Any Difference In Power Between Vegetto & Gogeta Anymore?
Replies: 113
Views: 2194

Re: Is There Any Difference In Power Between Vegetto & Gogeta Anymore?

So, from what I'm seeing, most people believe the intention right now is that, when formed from the same pair of Goku and Vegeta, Vegito and Gogeta are for all intents and purposes pretty much the same being with similar levels of power.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I imagine that the closest comparisons you can make between anime and manga are the general tiers. For example, the Merged Zamasu that initially showed up is likely meant to be generally the same between the 2 mediums, able to thrash around a normal SSB but being pressured by a full-power SSB via th...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

My thinking has always been that SSB Vegito back then was around the same level at full power and fully serious as non-shirtless Jiren and SSFP Broly later on, but Goku and Vegeta getting stronger since then put SSB Gogeta above that later on.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:14 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14246
Views: 909695

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Hello everyone ! I wanted to ask if anybody knows why Broly has different transformations compared to other Saiyans? is it like Kale? is it something else? Ah, a newcomer! Welcome! I can help answer for ya. With Broly, the key to his power is the Saiyans' latent Oozaru (or Great Ape) power. While m...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So, knowing that SSB can be controlled down to minimal levels because Ki control, I wonder just how much stronger Goku decided to make it to show his point to Krillin. Maybe twice as much as the amount of power in his base form? Krillin's hands were shaking from how much power he himself put into th...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is There Any Difference In Power Between Vegetto & Gogeta Anymore?
Replies: 113
Views: 2194

Re: Is There Any Difference In Power Between Vegetto & Gogeta Anymore?

I think what might separate the 2 is essentially the fusees themselves. In Metamoran Fusion Dance, you have to be synced together perfectly to produce the best Fusion, while Potara Earrings just smash you together and make the best Fusion. Equal in theory and potentially practice if you have the sam...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

How strong do you guys have Frost? Apparently he's weaker than Final Form Frieza according to Champa. Which then I'm not sure why Goku and Vegeta turned Super Saiyan for him then. Being fair, Freeza afterwards was also a lot stronger when Baba brought him back from Hell, still equal to base Goku wh...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:06 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is There Any Difference In Power Between Vegetto & Gogeta Anymore?
Replies: 113
Views: 2194

Re: Is There Any Difference In Power Between Vegetto & Gogeta Anymore?

The way I see it, there isn't one mainly because the resultant Fusion comes from a combination of the extremely compatible Goku and Vegeta. They're equally strong, have complementary temperaments, and drive each other to become stronger. Ergo, when they use Fusion, the result is essentially the same...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: DragonBall Z Abridged
Replies: 11673
Views: 931926

Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

I actually think the Mafua will be making number 2. It has EVERYTHING going for it to make it a great technique in the eyes of the crew. It has great theoretical effectiveness, great practical effectiveness, a good selection of drawbacks to make using it less simple, and a ton of character and story...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:41 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: DragonBall Z Abridged
Replies: 11673
Views: 931926

Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

I was surprised to see the Kaio-ken so high up, but I'm pleasantly surprised. It's a cool technique that got overshadowed by Super Saiyan.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's hard to tell. In the recent Broly movie...Base Gogeta and Blue Goku were doing almost the same thing against SSJ Broly. And SS Gogeta and Broly were trading blows and displays of power quite evenly. When these 2 clashed in their Super Saiyan forms, their clashes were even, it's just that Broly...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So where do you all have base Gogeta/Vegetto in power? Stronger than Blue? In between God and Blue? It's hard to tell. In the recent Broly movie...Base Gogeta and Blue Goku were doing almost the same thing against SSJ Broly. And SS Gogeta and Broly were trading blows and displays of power quite eve...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So where do you all have base Gogeta/Vegetto in power? Stronger than Blue? In between God and Blue? Exactly as strong as SSB, but without any of the strain of that level of power due to being base form. Easy, simple, and fits the story where Gogeta and Broly are equal in equivalent forms until he g...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:37 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So where do you all have base Gogeta/Vegetto in power? Stronger than Blue? In between God and Blue? Exactly as strong as SSB, but without any of the strain of that level of power due to being base form. Easy, simple, and fits the story where Gogeta and Broly are equal in equivalent forms until he g...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:32 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30958
Views: 1567918

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

REMINDER: we do _NOT_ know if RoF First Form Freeza is as limited as back in Namek. Final Form is BASE Freeza, First Form is RESTRICTED. There is no reason to believe he's restricted to the same proportional amount as back in Namek Exactly. Otherwise FF Freeza would be over 200 times stronger than ...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11316
Views: 758261

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

The question really is why some people think SS Gogeta from DBSuper is stronger than SS4 Gogeta from DBGT, which I don’t quite understand yet. They are basically implying they think SS Goku from DBSuper is stronger than SS4 Goku from DBGT. Mainly because, while people can buy SS4 Goku/Vegeta from G...