All of Freeza's reasons for blowing up Planet Vegeta

[Yasai9001]

• Dodoria's Statement

So, in Dragon Ball's Manga, it's been said by Dodoria that an individual Saiyan's power is is nowhere near Freeza's, but if a large number of them banded together, it might have proved to be an issue. He said that there were a small number of Saiyan warriors being born, who, like Prince Vegeta, were becoming extraordinarily powerful, and their numbers were increasing. He says with this power, Freeza realized that the saiyans wouldn't remain obedient and loyal to him forever, so Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta and all of The Saiyans on it. He tells Vegeta that he should be thankful because Freeza felt he could make use of his prodigal power so he allowed him to live.

• Vegeta's Statement

Now, later on, we find out in the manga that freeza feared The Legend of The Super Saiyan. Initially, Freeza shrugs it off, but later on as they continue to get stronger, he laughs less and less about it and we all know how he reacted to Vegeta when he boasted to Freeza that he met his match with Goku.

In Dragon Ball Resurrection F, we learn that Beerus authorized the destruction of Planet Vegeta. He is the God of Destruction after all, so one mortal can't just going around doing his job without his permission (right?), and Freeza did acknowledge that his father warned him about messing with Beerus or stepping on his toes.

• Beerus' Confession (Hallelujah)

Beerus doubles down on this in Dragon Ball Suoer's Manga, revealing to Vegeta that he 'suggested' Planet Vegeta to be disposed. Many people say he ordered it, but I'm pretty sure we can agree that it was a mere suggestion. (Someone give me the Japanese translation if you can, please. Herms wya!?)



In Dragon Ball Super Broly and Dragon Ball Minus, we see Dodoria and Zarbon were not present for the destruction of Planet Vegeta. He also consulted with Kikono and Beriblu what he was about to do and for why. Freeza was asking around about The legend of The Super Saiyan and it played a factor as to why he blew them up, even though the saiyans were almost half of all his forces.



Funny how Beriblu wasn't present in Dragon Ball Minus, but magically appears in Dragon Ball Super: Broly

It could be that the reason Dodoria gave Vegeta was valid, OR it was the story given to him by Freeza to not appear scared of a simple myth by his lieutenant, showing how he confides far more in Kikono and Beriblu. And the reasoning does make sense, AND it could be another reason why Freeza considered doing away with them completely.

• Vegeta Ignoring Freeza's Order to Return Home

Do any of you think Dodoria's statement of their numbers rising is invalid with the statement in regards to the Saiyan populace, or was it solely the fact that their numbers still increased, but only slowly. Maybe the sudden strength of those exceptional warriors (mid-class children), was something that Freeza took note of as well.

But still, Prince Vegeta ignored the order to be summoned home, which is why he survived, but Dodoria was speaking as if Freeza purposely chose for Prince Vegeta to remain away so that he could use him and his little team as an asset, when in all reality, it's highly likely that Freeza understood a small team of Saiyans that consisted of two children probably wasn't ever going to get in his way and do him much harm. And besides, he could still make use of them knowing how stubborn, selfish, and wishy washy Saiyans could be. Freeza let The Heeters run around for years knowing that they intended on betraying and usurping him, lol, but because they were so weak and helped his business, he didn't care until it actually mattered. Just like Dodoria said, an individual Saiyan couldn't do Freeza anything but their entire race? That was a completely different matter, but overall, we do understand that ultimately, Freeza was terrified of the legend.

Do you think that all of this is just pure inconsistency, or could it all be rolled up and mixed together, ultimately making sense? Call it headcannon if you want, but I'm just trying to make sense of it all; I would love to see what you guys think as well. This is of course, an in-universe explanation - I'm not trying to get on Toriyama and his inconsistency outside of the story itself (we all know how he was).

[VegettoEX]

There is no reason to use the poorly-translated Manga Stream versions of Dragon Ball manga, or otherwise any version that is otherwise very obviously watermarked as being from illegal distribution sources -- this series has been widely available and accurately translated in English for years.

[Yasai9001]

There is no reason to use the poorly-translated Manga Stream versions of the Dragon Ball Super manga, or otherwise any version that is watermarked from illegal distribution sources -- this series has been widely available and accurately translated in English for years.

I had asked for the japanese translations, (I said Herms, wya? lol). Thing is, I'm not good for finding the absolute source of Japanese translations, nor am I good at Japanese or have access to the accurate versions. I'd have to do some digging, but I would like help in the matter. What do you think of the topic itself as a whole anyway?

[VegettoEX]

Thing is, I'm not good for finding the absolute source of Japanese translations.

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/dragon-ball
https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/dragon-ball-z
https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters ... ball-super
https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters ... -patrolman

If you are unsure about some kind of quirky accuracy with any of their translations, simply ask in the same forum thread you're actively discussing the topic in. There is very little that, in broad strokes, will lead you astray for most/general conversations.

[MasenkoHA]

There is no reason to use the poorly-translated Manga Stream versions of the Dragon Ball Super manga, or otherwise any version that is watermarked from illegal distribution sources -- this series has been widely available and accurately translated in English for years.

I had asked for the japanese translations, (I said Herms, wya? lol). Thing is, I'm not good for finding the absolute source of Japanese translations, nor am I good at Japanese or have access to the accurate versions. I'd have to do some digging, but I would like help in the matter. What do you think of the topic itself as a whole anyway?

The translation from Viz is generally agreed to be accurate . Nothing compared to what Funimation was doing. The bigger point of contention has always been how Pedo Jones chose to localize the translations to “give them flavor” nothing like Vegeta claiming Freeza made him evil

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I've always taken it as a bit of a mix of all of the above, with Freeza himself ultimately making the call from his own experiences and judgment.

You could view it as Freeza hearing about the Super Saiyan legend and not putting much stock into it at first, but then sees that the Saiyans under his rule are becoming more problematic; whether that was actually the case is irrelevant, only what Freeza viewed.

With Beerus suggesting he eradicate them, he decides that he's through dealing with the Saiyans and doesn't wanna risk their increasing power potentially being a sign of the Legendary Super Saiyan.

[Yasai9001]

I've always taken it as a bit of a mix of all of the above, with Freeza himself ultimately making the call from his own experiences and judgment.

You could view it as Freeza hearing about the Super Saiyan legend and not putting much stock into it at first, but then sees that the Saiyans under his rule are becoming more problematic; whether that was actually the case is irrelevant, only what Freeza viewed.

With Beerus suggesting he eradicate them, he decides that he's through dealing with the Saiyans and doesn't wanna risk their increasing power potentially being a sign of the Legendary Super Saiyan.

Yeah, I find that makes the most sense; either way it goes, Freeza was right to kill them off, anyway. Had he let them lived, The Saiyans probably would have banded together and caused a huge ruckus with him.

[theherodjl]

I think Freeza's #1 motivation was that he was just tired of dealing with the Saiyans and that he made the snap decision to just kill them all rather than ponder what could have been. Whether it be because he was generally just an unfeeling sociopath or was prejudiced toward them, Freeza never seemed to like the Saiyans the moment he met them. In DBS: Broly, he even killed several Saiyans to demonstrate the effectiveness of scouters and laughed about it, showing nothing but amused-contempt for his new recruits within minutes of meeting them.
Genocide seems to be a common solution for Freeza when he wants a problem gone, it's how his empire gets new worlds to obtain & sell off after all.

[Bloodthroe]

It's just pure inconsistency and a clear retcon. I choose to look at it like many of the old Dragon Ball movies. Just different worlds, basically.

It's a shame too, because the original backstory was soooo good. What with the Saiyans getting their honor back was by defeating Frieza.

If you wanted it to make sense, I would say this:
Frieza was scared of the legend and used Beerus's order as opportunity to resolve his fear.
That maybe the Saiyans weren't growing in number, but still growing in power as more elites were being born than usual.
That Frieza did want to keep Vegeta as a pet for whatever reason, perhaps expecting Vegeta to ignore the call for saiyans to return home or expecting Vegeta to be too late to arrive before it was destroyed. After all, it did take the Saiyans a year just to get to Earth.

[SupremeKai25]

The added context from Super that Beerus authorized Vegeta's destruction is awesome. It makes a lot of sense with the lore and character writing. Saiyans, with their warmongering ways, have a tendency to wipe out civilizations and therefore cause the mortal level in the universe to decrease. You could argue the same about Freeza, but Freeza, unlike the Saiyans, apparently wasn't annoying to Beerus (as a character, he is a business man, and very professional). The main reason why Beerus authorized that planet's destruction, in keeping with his spoiled and childish nature, seems to be that King Vegeta irritated him.