This is what always made more sense to me. The way the characters talk about SSJ in the android arc makes it sound like an extra reservoir of power rather than a straight multiplication. It's very different from how they talk about things like the kaioken.
Another smoking gun: When Vegeta gets the ...
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- Tue Feb 17, 2026 6:25 pm
- Forum: In-Universe Discussion
- Topic: [Theory] The "Multiplier" logic is flawed. SSJ is a Limit Breaker, not math
- Replies: 43
- Views: 261023
- Thu Nov 06, 2025 7:51 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: How would Toriyama have rewritten each individual arc?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2404
Re: How would Toriyama have rewritten each individual arc?
I think if the arcs were re-written today the themes in the Saiyan/Freeza Arc of hard work vs natural talent and Goku slowly accepting his Saiyan heritage wouldn't have been so prominent, as Toriyama seemed like he had come to dislike that sort of story-telling in his last years. Also I think Vegeta ...
- Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:03 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: SPARKING ZERO - Names of the character versions/forms in Japanese?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 25255
Re: SPARKING ZERO - Names of the character versions/forms in Japanese?
https://gamebanana.com/mods/552271
This guy modded the game and re-translated some of the names and terms. I don't have the game on hand to check all of them but he mentions a few of the changes he made in the mod description.
This guy modded the game and re-translated some of the names and terms. I don't have the game on hand to check all of them but he mentions a few of the changes he made in the mod description.
- Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:10 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: How many forms could be cut?
- Replies: 41
- Views: 12187
Re: How many forms could be cut?
The number of forms wouldn't have been such a problem if they'd been gradually fazed out of the story as the characters acquired new ones. Goku and Vegeta should have stopped using normal SSJ once they had achieved SSJ2 (and they kinda do in the Buu Saga, but everything that came after ignored this ...
- Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:32 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: "Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread
- Replies: 2944
- Views: 815461
Re: "Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement & Pre-Release Discussion Thread
I know, I'm talking about the actual transformation/unique character, with different model and everything, as I said, it's literally in the game's cover art, but in the actual game there's literally nothing, just the final explosion
If you ask me, adult Goku and adult Vegeta (except Scouter ...
- Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:03 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Who came up with the idea that Goku couldn't use the Spirit Bomb while Super Saiyan?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 4901
Re: Who came up with the idea that Goku couldn't use the Spirit Bomb while Super Saiyan?
Wait, that's a thing? When was it ever stated he can't use the Genki Dama while SS?
I always assumed he was always at base because he exhausted all of his own energy.
EDIT: Just checked, it's from Super. and it's Kuririn explaining that "To use the Genki Dama, you need to have a pure heart, and ...
- Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:19 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Who came up with the idea that Goku couldn't use the Spirit Bomb while Super Saiyan?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 4901
Who came up with the idea that Goku couldn't use the Spirit Bomb while Super Saiyan?
So we all know the scene in Super Android 13 were Goku tries to use the Spirit Bomb while Super Saiyan but ends up absorbing it instead. Krillin, apparently the expert in all things Spirit Bomb, exposits that Goku cannot use it properly while in SS because his heart is clouded with rage.
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- Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:15 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Non-thread-worthy discussions
- Replies: 5357
- Views: 1151076
Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions
I think introducing "god ki" at all was a mistake. Kaioshin not being able to be sensed was meant to convey how he was a mysterious and otherworldly power. Chalking it up to a different type of ki is silly.
- Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:02 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Was Goku screaming at Gohan to kill Cell out of character?
- Replies: 36
- Views: 9546
Re: Was Goku screaming at Gohan to kill Cell out of character?
I think its worth looking at this from a more out-of-universe perspective. Goku's "mercy" as a character trait seems to change depending on what Toryama needed at the moment, and is almost always used to highlight the differences between him and the current villain/rival. In the Namek arc, Goku's ...
- Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:45 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Almost the entirety of the new era of Dragon Ball is Fanfiction, but done by Toriyama
- Replies: 113
- Views: 26590
Re: Almost the entirety of the new era of Dragon Ball is Fanfiction, but done by Toriyama
I think the biggest thing that makes Super seem "fanfiction"-y to me is not the recolor transformations or plot concepts but the characterization of Goku and Co. A lot of the time it feels like the writers are writing the meme version of the characters instead of what they actually were like in the ...
- Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:16 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: What would be the political stance of DB characters
- Replies: 46
- Views: 12908
Re: What would be the political stance of DB characters

Going by his first design, Oolong is clearly a hardcore Maoist!!
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:04 pm
- Forum: Fan-Created Works
- Topic: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
- Replies: 30595
- Views: 5372189
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Without commenting on the quality of the writing, its refreshing to see this special focus on a part of the franchise that doesn't get much (if any) what-if material.
- Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:41 pm
- Forum: In-Universe Discussion
- Topic: Deploy the Headcanon!
- Replies: 98
- Views: 16436
Re: Deploy the Headcanon!
- Coola was born much weaker than Freeza and Cold, possibly without any of his father's mutations. This explains why Goku could fight him in base form, and why he resents his brother so much. Since he actually had to train for his power, he figured out a way to transform that gives him more power ...
- Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:48 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"
- Replies: 14456
- Views: 2971064
Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Hypothetically, if Toei were to stick to movies what stories SHOULD they tell? It seems that Dragon Ball has said all it needs to at this point (lore aside).
Battle of Gods explored what pride means to Goku, and how he feels like he's cheating himself by having to resort to his new God form to ...
- Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:19 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: Which older Dragon Ball games are worth playing?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 6866
Re: Which older Dragon Ball games are worth playing?
I've played pretty much everything on the GBA and most of the DS, and those are definitely some solid choices. While there's atrocious stuff like the "Trading Card Game" and Taiketsu (which almost feels like a fever dream), Advanced Adventure is definitely one of the best games in the entire ...
- Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:14 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Unpopular DB opinions
- Replies: 15520
- Views: 2451542
Re: Unpopular DB opinions
I feel like the problem with Z's ending is that it feels very arbitrary. I get what it's going for with Goku finding his successor and training him, but the way it's done there's not really any finality to it. Goku's not retiring from fighting, he's not going somewhere far away, we know exactly what ...
- Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:25 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Unpopular DB opinions
- Replies: 15520
- Views: 2451542
Re: Unpopular DB opinions
As time goes on, the more I dislike that the new saiyan character in DBS Broly was... called Broly.
It just feels like such a cheap marketing stunt, almost like they were "baiting" the kind of fans who dismiss anything not written by Toriyama: "Oh you liked the old Broly, well this new one is ...
It just feels like such a cheap marketing stunt, almost like they were "baiting" the kind of fans who dismiss anything not written by Toriyama: "Oh you liked the old Broly, well this new one is ...
- Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:07 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: What was your first game in the franchise?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 4617
Re: What was your first game in the franchise?
My first game (and really, my first introduction to the franchise, outside of some brief glimpses I caught on TV) was Budokai Tenkaichi 1 on ps2.
I actually really loved it. The gameplay was fast and flashy, which was enough to grab my attention. I didn't know anything about the plot of the show ...
I actually really loved it. The gameplay was fast and flashy, which was enough to grab my attention. I didn't know anything about the plot of the show ...
- Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:51 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: Which older Dragon Ball games are worth playing?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 6866
Re: Which older Dragon Ball games are worth playing?
Granted, these aren't that old, but since you said anything before 2015:
Supersonic Warriors 1 and 2 (2 is better overall, imo, but the first one has some of the best what-if content in the franchise). The entire GBA and DS library of dragonball games is pretty good actually, bar a few like ...
Supersonic Warriors 1 and 2 (2 is better overall, imo, but the first one has some of the best what-if content in the franchise). The entire GBA and DS library of dragonball games is pretty good actually, bar a few like ...
- Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:45 pm
- Forum: In-Universe Discussion
- Topic: Does anyone use energy nullification/cancellation?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3626
Re: Does anyone use energy nullification/cancellation?
There's a scene in the anime where SSj2 Goku just "nullifies" Vegeta's chi blast:
https://youtu.be/te02cP5zGNQ?t=151
The sequence starts at around 2:31
It's filler, I'm pretty sure, but at the very least there is precedent of characters being able to do it.
https://youtu.be/te02cP5zGNQ?t=151
The sequence starts at around 2:31
It's filler, I'm pretty sure, but at the very least there is precedent of characters being able to do it.