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by SupremeKai25
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:53 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

That's true but it's still bad world-building, don't you think? I mean this guy Jiren basically surpasses the most powerful Gods in the entire cosmos... by training really hard. And he comes from a random mortal race with no particular genetic trait or anything like that, his family was comprised o...
by SupremeKai25
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:23 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?
Replies: 19
Views: 212

Re: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?

Zamasu has purely malevolent motivations for killing, despite his claims. There's no good excuse for racially-motivated genocide. Especially on that scale. If he really had such "good intentions", he would just blow up planets from space, leave the populations none the wiser. But no, he had to sadi...
by SupremeKai25
Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:21 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Because power-creep has always been a heavy element of Dragon Ball. I mentioned earlier how it's bad world-building that Fused Zamasu the supreme god has already been surpassed literally in the following arc by a heavily-suppressed Jiren, but then DBZ also had stupid power creep which ruined world-...
by SupremeKai25
Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:11 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Because power-creep has always been a heavy element of Dragon Ball. I mentioned earlier how it's bad world-building that Fused Zamasu the supreme god has already been surpassed literally in the following arc by a heavily-suppressed Jiren, but then DBZ also had stupid power creep which ruined world-b...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:06 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32733
Views: 1898885

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That I do, don't sleep on Fused Zamasu. He legit damaged Vegito several times.
by SupremeKai25
Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:59 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?
Replies: 19
Views: 212

Re: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?

I have to be honest - " these mortals have the problem of being too violent . I propose to rectify this by slaughtering them all " doesn't strike me as being particularly well-intentioned or well-reasoned on Zamas's part. Because destroying mortals was a means to an end, not the end in itself. He w...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32733
Views: 1898885

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Do you guys think that Shin's line can also be applied to the anime? Is anime SSB Vegito (and anime Fused Zamasu by extension) around Beerus' level?
by SupremeKai25
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:52 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?
Replies: 19
Views: 212

Re: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?

Evil actions with good intentions are better than evil actions with evil intentions. But what are the 'good intentions' that Zamas has? The points he makes aren't made in good faith, but are made because they are congenial to his own presuppositions (i.e. the inferiority and incorrigibility of Mort...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:13 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?
Replies: 19
Views: 212

Re: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?

In the anime, Zamasu shows clear signs of regret for what he's done, which could have been a good chance to stop and rethink, but he instead doubled down even further. One of the escapist essences of Dragon Ball is the fact that no matter how much evil you've committed, it's never too late to chang...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?
Replies: 19
Views: 212

Re: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?

In the anime, Zamasu shows clear signs of regret for what he's done, which could have been a good chance to stop and rethink, but he instead doubled down even further. One of the escapist essences of Dragon Ball is the fact that no matter how much evil you've committed, it's never too late to chang...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:19 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?
Replies: 19
Views: 212

Re: Who do you consider more evil, Zamasu or Moro?

In Zamasu's case, evil was made, not born. Zamasu was originally good and had a pure heart, he was just tired of all the conflicts and wars ruining the cosmos and wanted to create multiversal peace. Unfortunately he believed mortals were inherently flawed creatures who sought only war and destructio...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:09 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

In hindsight that retcon was unnecessary. Even if the fusion lasted forever, it would end if the earring broke. This is shown when Goku's kamehameha breaks Kefla's earrings, causing her to unfuse. So maybe Fused Zamasu, who was already on Vegito's level and actually damaged him several times, could'...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:35 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Maybe it's a retcon writing-wise, but I appreciate it. A retcon doesn't have to be bad. I didn't say all retcons are bad just that sometimes you have to explain away more than you would need to if they had stuck with the original explanation. Mortal races rarely come into contact with the Kaioshin ...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:51 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

I think the "Potara only lasts 1 hour on mortals" plot point makes complete sense logic-wise and actually makes the Gods look really smart. The Potara is meant to be the ultimate technique of the Gods, but there's always the risk that such power might fall into the hands of undeserving mortals. By h...
by SupremeKai25
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:50 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

But then why would Gowasu need to raise Zamasu temporarily to the position of Supreme Kai instead of just giving him one of his earrings? If what you're saying is true, then Zamasu could have perfectly remained a mere apprentice to use the Time Ring, he'd just need one of Gowasu's earrings. Yet Gow...
by SupremeKai25
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:34 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

In the manga? Fused Zamasu not being an official Supreme Kai, because apparently neither Goku Black nor Future Zamasu were official Supreme Kais... even though Future Zamasu freely used the Time Ring, a divine artifact that can only be used by the Supreme Kais (so much so that Gowasu had to promote...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:05 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

To add to my original post, it means they should have never introduced Golden Freeza, Hit, and Jiren. They don’t deserve to be as strong or as capable as they were. That said, the Zamasu story could work, since as a Kaioshin (a GOD) taking over a Saiyan God’s body (Goku’s) could work and would pres...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:44 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

In the manga? Fused Zamasu not being an official Supreme Kai, because apparently neither Goku Black nor Future Zamasu were official Supreme Kais... even though Future Zamasu freely used the Time Ring, a divine artifact that can only be used by the Supreme Kais (so much so that Gowasu had to promote ...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:34 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35043
Views: 2729443

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Goku fought Zamasu once fairly. He fought Zamasu fairly THRICE before understanding Zamasu wasn't a worthy opponent. Zamasu wasn't not even dueling with him or challenge him, just focused on erasing everything, totally deranged. Yes, I'll repeat: some people don't understand DragonBall. Then Toriya...
by SupremeKai25
Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:54 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35043
Views: 2729443

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Also Goku tried to kill Fused Zamasu with the hakai. Having trained with Beerus, Goku would know that hakai is a killing move that destroys the target completely, down to their soul. He had no problem destroying Zamasu and depriving him of an afterlife (not even the chance to reincarnate himself li...