Kanzenshuu

I prefer the old Bardock by a mile (only talking about the first TV special, ill continue to ignore the one where he goes SSJ...) I really dont like the whole Goku got his kindness from his parents thing Toriyama introduced with Minus (never got why so many people like Gine either, yeah shes cute ...

I don't think Zamasu is a master manipulator... Goku is just naive and Gowasu didn't want to see Zamasu's true face because he had a deep trust in him.
Actually, does Zamasu even manipulate either? He was pretty open about his ideals with Gowasu

No he doesn´t. He stays in the role of trusted ...

I mean, by the end of Super, things are fairly different enough that it would probably warrant it having its own separate universe in story (feels like there's more of a difference between Super and U18 than there is between U16 and U18).

But yeah, the best solution would be to save it for a ...

Really, it could be quite doable. But, given the timing it makes sense. They have their story in mind at this point, it's probably too late.

That´s my point. By the time Super started the DBM story was already going forward. To make it fit they would have to arbitrarily add it while the other ...

Jeez louise! I never realized just how cutthroat Ginyu was!

Is it me, or has his personality changed a little from the canon?

Well in the Manga he fataly injured himself before changing bodies with Goku so this is nothing out of the ordinary. Plus this Ginyu has been through a whole lot more ...

Yeah. With events from Super, much of DB Multiverse just doesn't work.

Besides which, where are good Vegeta and Goku? And is Future Trunks still around?

And what were those little alien things thinking when they invited a lot of inherently evil and powerful beings like Babidi, Freeza (and family ...

Some characters like Gohan have gone backwards in strength, but that’s something that never happened to Goku and I don’t think it is something that should happen now, especially considering how Goku hasn’t even reached Beerus yet, who was the first to break the everlasting cycle of “the next ...

Trust me, I know your pain. I've had my post-Z fanfic on hiatus basically ever since Resurrection 'F' because I want it to still fit with everything if I can make it work, so basically...it's stuck on either eternal hiatus until we're no longer getting stuff, or until the series does something ...

Don't you remember the galactic prisoner arc we have a new villain dude.


I didn't forget about him; I'm looking forward to what he brings. The translation just left me uneasy about the topics of future movies.

galactic arc is for manga only from what i heard... not anime

As far as I know it ...

Why don't people just let go? This is a new character, he "shouldn't" be A or B, there's no A or B for him to be. And please, stop with that "legendary" nonsense, that's just a nickname for a form, it doesn't mean anything.

Seriously, they use hyped up words like "demon" and "legendary" and ...

All I know is that the description I’ve heard said that the Grand Priest was apparently surprised by #17’s wish, with there being no mention of the Zen-Ohs having planned any of this. I’d be happy to be proven wrong, but I was simply expressing my disappointment at the lack of any mention about ...

I dont really see the issue with the gun. It seems to be a Taser-like weapon. I mean yeah Goku and Vegeta are insanely powerful beings but does that give them immunity from something that seems to attack the nervous system? Or attacks designed not to hurt but to stun? Attacks that target their ...

Wait, Dai Kaioshin has been sleeping inside Majin Buu this whole time...? :crazy:

... Huh, anyway, hopefully he gets revived/pulled out of Majin Buu eventually. It would be nice if they do not retcon the fact that there should be five Kaioshins, at least in Universe 7.
Huh, I had always assumed ...

If that counts then by the same standard you would have to count Vegito's fights with Buuhan and (manga only) Merged Zamasu as points in favor for Vegito.

No because Vegito didnt really do much except beat them up and then defuse. The spoilers imply that Gogeta not only beats Broly but is about ...

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

Didnt the spoilers imply that Gogeta is ABOUT to finish him off and its only Cheelahs? (forgot her name) wish to Shenron that saves ...

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba ...

Lord Frieza wrote: Counting GT, even though that Gogeta is really just a reskinned Vegito.

BlueBasilisk wrote: SS4 Gogeta in GT.

Ofcourse. How could i forget that. He really was more like Vegito. His arrogance really seemed a bit off.

Lord Frieza wrote:Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

Gogeta appeared 3 times? I can only think of Fusion Reborn and ofc the new movie.

What countries has been confirmed for then?

Japan, America, UK....where else?
Probably a few other Latin American countries, some other European ones I think?

I dunno, it's hard to keep up with this kind of news.

Pretty much all of Latin America, Australia, most of East Asia, for Europe only ...

The point i was trying to make is that Super succeeded at keeping the franchise alive and GT did not, GT didnt spawn anything new after it ended.

Isnt really an argument since both series aired under completely different circumstances. If we take Super as it is now and have it change places with ...