Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[AnimeNation101]

Vegeta cares about his race but not enough to with them back to life. And also not enough to want to kill Beerus in cold blood. Thats my stance. The saiyans were a bunch of savages will evil hearts. Vegeta knows that so why would he wish them back? And its Beerus’s job to destroy, on top of the fact that the saiyans were evil.

If Vegeta really cared THAT much about the saiyans, he would have tried to wish them back by now. He cared more about getting immortality than wishing his race or even parents back. And you cant use the excuse that Porunga or Shenron couldn’t do that since they’ve been dead for too long, Vegeta never knew about that rule at the time anyway. And once Dende was the new dragonball creator, he could have wished them back then since clearly the “if you’ve been dead for more than a year rule” didn’t apply since Freeza was able to come back. And of course, he could have used Bulma’s radar to search for the Super Dragon balls to bring back his race or parents but he didn’t. And going off of the End of Z, as far as we know, unless its retconned, he won’t ever do it.

And to connect this into the movie, they’d have to give a damn good reason for why Vegeta would want to bring back his race he actually does as some random, wtf surprise.

[Lord Frieza]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

[BrolyKale]

Vegeta did care about his race, but not as much as he cares about Bulma or Trunks or even Cabba.

[Darkseid]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

Gogeta appeared 3 times? I can only think of Fusion Reborn and ofc the new movie.

[Lord Frieza]

Vegeta did care about his race, but not as much as he cares about Bulma or Trunks or even Cabba.

Early Vegeta only cared about one thing when it came to other people, are they of use to him. If they are good, if not screw them. His disinterest in his own race's survival is made clear by the fact they he was more then happy to leave Radditz dead (which was the first thing Nappa thought of) and he killed Nappa the second he became useless.

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

Gogeta appeared 3 times? I can only think of Fusion Reborn and ofc the new movie.

Counting GT, even though that Gogeta is really just a reskinned Vegito.

[BlueBasilisk]

Gogeta appeared 3 times? I can only think of Fusion Reborn and ofc the new movie.

SS4 Gogeta in GT.

[zarmack]

Vegeta cares about his race but not enough to with them back to life. And also not enough to want to kill Beerus in cold blood. Thats my stance. The saiyans were a bunch of savages will evil hearts. Vegeta knows that so why would he wish them back? And its Beerus’s job to destroy, on top of the fact that the saiyans were evil.

If Vegeta really cared THAT much about the saiyans, he would have tried to wish them back by now. He cared more about getting immortality than wishing his race or even parents back. And you cant use the excuse that Porunga or Shenron couldn’t do that since they’ve been dead for too long, Vegeta never knew about that rule at the time anyway. And once Dende was the new dragonball creator, he could have wished them back then since clearly the “if you’ve been dead for more than a year rule” didn’t apply since Freeza was able to come back. And of course, he could have used Bulma’s radar to search for the Super Dragon balls to bring back his race or parents but he didn’t. And going off of the End of Z, as far as we know, unless its retconned, he won’t ever do it.

And to connect this into the movie, they’d have to give a damn good reason for why Vegeta would want to bring back his race he actually does as some random, wtf surprise.

1. The Super Dragonballs argument doesn't work, because they are scattered across the mulitverse and neither Vegeta nor Bulma have any way of crossing between different universes.

2. Neither Shenron nor Porunga could bring back a large group of people that have been dead for over a year. That rule had been established since Raditz came around and has never been retconned.

3. Vegeta isn't a moralistic person and likely still doesn't care if most of the U7 Saiyans are evil savages (neither would Goku in fact. Remember, this is the same guy that's willing let dangerous, mass murdering villains like Freeza live just so he could fight them again.) Even in GT, Vegeta showed absolutely no remorse nor shame for what the Saiyans were in the past when Baby confronted him about, so why would he be in Super?

[Darkseid]

Counting GT, even though that Gogeta is really just a reskinned Vegito.

SS4 Gogeta in GT.

Ofcourse. How could i forget that. He really was more like Vegito. His arrogance really seemed a bit off.

[zarmack]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, so it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

[zarmack]

Early Vegeta only cared about one thing when it came to other people, are they of use to him. If they are good, if not screw them. His disinterest in his own race's survival is made clear by the fact they he was more then happy to leave Radditz dead (which was the first thing Nappa thought of) and he killed Nappa the second he became useless.

And this argument is immediately discredited when Vegeta begs Goku to avenge their race in the Namek arc.

[Darkseid]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

Didnt the spoilers imply that Gogeta is ABOUT to finish him off and its only Cheelahs? (forgot her name) wish to Shenron that saves him? Gogeta still won so it would still count.

[PFM18]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

[zarmack]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

Didnt the spoilers imply that Gogeta is ABOUT to finish him off and its only Cheelahs? (forgot her name) wish to Shenron that saves him? It could still kinda count.

If that counts then by the same standard you would have to count Vegito's fights with Buuhan and (manga only) Merged Zamasu as points in favor for Vegito.

[vashter]

someone tell me geekdom101 youtube about spoilers he mention gogeta fusion would end up some crazy alters realm or something? I'm confuse af when he said that

[Darkseid]

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

Didnt the spoilers imply that Gogeta is ABOUT to finish him off and its only Cheelahs? (forgot her name) wish to Shenron that saves him? It could still kinda count.

If that counts then by the same standard you would have to count Vegito's fights with Buuhan and (manga only) Merged Zamasu as points in favor for Vegito.

No because Vegito didnt really do much except beat them up and then defuse. The spoilers imply that Gogeta not only beats Broly but is about to land the killing blow. Only the wish saves Broly. That still leaves Gogeta at 2 defeated opponents whereas Vegeto has 0.

[ekrolo2]

Why am I not surprised they're re-using Fusion Reborn gags & poses?

[Lord Frieza]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

What he said.

Early Vegeta only cared about one thing when it came to other people, are they of use to him. If they are good, if not screw them. His disinterest in his own race's survival is made clear by the fact they he was more then happy to leave Radditz dead (which was the first thing Nappa thought of) and he killed Nappa the second he became useless.

And this argument is immediately discredited when Vegeta begs Goku to avenge their race in the Namek arc.

Accept that that one statment is contradicted by everything Vegeta did befor and after. Vegeta even regected the idea od restarting the saiyan race using earthlings, yes they would be stronger then them but if he REALLY cared about the survival of his race he would have jumped at the chance. After the Frieza arc Vegeta's goal never changes, its all about power and killing Goku, yes killing the only other survivor of his race. He only ever drops the killing part after years on earth. Hell even when he has his crisis in the Buu arc it's still all about him and right back to killing Goku again.


His begging for Goku to avenge the saiyans should be considered an outlier moment brought on by the fact he's had all his ambitions crushed by the being who made a slave of him since he was a child and has effectively killed him.

[zarmack]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

Vegito getting absorbed on purpose by Buu was what allowed Goku and Vegeta to depower him from the inside, giving them the chance to kill him in the end.

Second, the spoilers suggest that its Chirai that stops Broly's rampage, not Gogeta. So that wouldn't count for Gogeta at all.

[zarmack]

Didnt the spoilers imply that Gogeta is ABOUT to finish him off and its only Cheelahs? (forgot her name) wish to Shenron that saves him? It could still kinda count.

If that counts then by the same standard you would have to count Vegito's fights with Buuhan and (manga only) Merged Zamasu as points in favor for Vegito.

No because Vegito didnt really do much except beat them up and then defuse. The spoilers imply that Gogeta not only beats Broly but is about to land the killing blow. Only the wish saves Broly. That still leaves Gogeta at 2 defeated opponents whereas Vegeto has 0.

Vegito was also "about to land the killing blow" against Merged Zamasu but defuse before it could happen. So if you count that for Gogeta then you must count that for Vegito also.

[Son-Kakaroto]

Well that's what now? Vegito 0/2 to Gogeta's 2/1.

Well that pretty much proves it Gogeta > Vegito, simply because he gets the job done.

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

No, gogeta is 1-2 if we go by the spoilers since he failed to kill off the enemy one way or the other.
Gogeta is 1-2 (according to spoilers), and vegetto is 0-2.