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Both, the answer is both. Again not subjective. If it is definitively "both", then how come a large portion of the fanbase argues which one is more canonical than the other? Sure, there are things that the fanbase agrees at large what is canonical, but for specific instances like these, i...

Sounds like a fun topic. Here's mine, going by DB and DBS mangas, and new movies: DBs: Gokuu 21 BT: Kame Sennin RR: Gokuu, Taopaipai Uranai Baba: 22 BT: Tenshinhan Piccolo Daimao: 23 BT: Gokuu Saiyajins: Piccolo, Vegeta Freeza: Freeza Cell: Vegeta, N16 Great Saiyaman: Gohan, Videl Buu: Buu, Mr.Satan...

While they note the absence of aura in the perfected SSB, after they both achieve it and there is no more need for such differentiation the form just becomes the new SSB and is shown with aura in multiple occasions, so I think that is not really a consideration. That is not to say that the manga and...

Canon )---> A regulation or dogma decreed by [a church council]. An accepted principle or rule. A body of principles, rules, standards, or norms. [snip] You are just bringing a specific different definition of "canon" to which there would be indeed no DB canon, to paint that there is no c...

The issue is thinking there has to be a single canon. Maybe there's a distinction between continuity and canon, I don't know but GT has its own canon and Super has its own. Toriyama doesn't have to say what is or isn't canon because he wrote the story. It's implicit. And in case anyone is thinking ...

While I happen to prefer Tori's DB, can enjoy things like Slug, Tapion, DBM and DBSai without caring about them not being canon, and would probably enjoy other non-canon stuff as if were if I preferred them; I totally see TheGreatness25's point. I mean, it effectively "replaces" GT and oth...

Why would Toriyama bother with Bardock's team that was designed and developed for the TV special? He should since the final drafts were all done by him. There's no reason to change Bardock's partners for new ones. Talking about this guy who looks more like an earthling than a saiyan. Toriyama made ...

Chapter tittle: Burdack, Father of Gokuu

I would probably not introduce DB to my children unless they show interest in drawing comics or something; not because its problematics, but simply because it wouldn't contribute to them. If they by themself would want to read it tho, I would just let them and take the opportunity to educate them on...

For Pan or the expectant? (heh)

It may sound weird, but.. What if that scene with Pan.. is her learning how to FLY? :shock: It mirrors the Videl scene here: https://i.postimg.cc/mDyVXSpb/Pan-fly.png I checked the manga and we never saw baby Pan flying, it only happened in anime scenes and they may retcon that?? If movies follow t...

I actually like the non-action visuals, it reminds me of DQ; but the action scenes do leave a lot to be desired. So, the driver seems to be the villain head (he adjusts his glasses villainously). The kid is shown in a (hero?) costume, and a lab coat (so he is a scientists?). The driver knew a man dr...

I think this friction is originated from the same problem as the canon discussion: The common attribution of value and implications onto descriptive, non-value, qualities; people either assume (maybe because some actual gatekeeping they have seen somewhere else) they are implying it, or they themsel...

It will be very interesting to see what they have in store for Bardock. I would love it if the next chapter is entirely set in the past, as we follow Cereal’s genocide from Bardock’s point of view. I just have two wishes regarding Bardock: first, that his bastard side is shown. We know from Minus’ ...

Toriyama (and what also seems to be Toyotaro's) Bardock falls right into the trap of being the generic, tritely written anti-hero with a soft streak, completely missing the point of Goku's entire character: an antithesis of traditional Saiyan culture. Goku's entire journey as a martial artist defie...

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(manga and movies)

*Some are close and may change if you ask me tomorrow

Or maybe Toriyama made him like that because the first form fits the character and is different from the designs the editor criticized (N17, 18 19 and 20), the second form is like that because it also was criticized, it looks though before the final form and wanted an expressive face unlike the firs...

For some reason the "presented arguments" matter to people, but who or what will back them up? There's no official statement about anything so what are they going to do? How is everyone going to reach a consensus? How are they going to convince the ones in the "wrong side"? This...

Uncertainty yes, but (like most discussions) subjective only if you make it so. You don't care or want to know about "canon"? Good for you, but is only pointless if you don't care about its point, in which case... what is pointless is to point its pointlessness. That's absolutely not how ...

We can, but by that point we'd already be in the subjectivity territory. We'd be "figuring out" based on nothing concrete, nothing officially said or established, it would be a complete arbitrary thing to do. And what makes more sense to you may not make as much sense to another person. T...