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Grimlock wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:48 am You already got yourself a free warning and you said that you would tone down, but despite that, you continue to belittle other people's opinions

Read the posts before you jump to conclusions.

It's funny how in Toei's continuity such a thing as "Legendary Super Saiyan 2" exists, which really makes you wonder if Broly is weaker than Kefla. Or we can all just ignore their little marketing additions not present in Toriyama's draft.

Jack Bz wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:39 pm I legit didn't even know that Super Perfect Cell being stronger than SS2 Gohan was an opinion anyone had.

From the looks of it, it's just trolling. Some people are just desperate for attention, and the easiest way to get it is by saying something ridiculous everybody knows is incorrect.

Perfect Cell didnt even reveal his full power until after Gohan went SS2.
Okay? It's still headcanon to argue Perfect Cell was definitively stronger when SS1 Gohan wasn't even fighting back, especially when SS1 Goku (who is weaker than Gohan) fought somewhat on par with Perfect Cell.


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Peach wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:19 am Android 17 went completely unnoticed on their own planet despite being Blue tier

Except he's not Blue tier.

Where does he say that attack was casual? Also he's referring to the fact that he killed Trunks and tried to kill Vegeta, instead of just blowing up the Earth / fighting Gohan.


He's referring to both things.
No, he's quite clearly referring to the fact that he killed Trunks and tried to kill ...

Cell never describes the attack meant to kill Vegeta as "casual," he never even comments on that attack outside of saying it's a bonus


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Cell: I'm going to stop playing around [with you all] ...And finish this straight away ...

There is, of course, the whole reason behind Gohan's injury to begin with: him getting hit with an attack that Cell himself described as 'casual' a few pages later, which wounded him so badly it cut his power to less than half its former glory.
Cell never describes the attack meant to kill Vegeta ...

Aside from everything I've already pointed out beforehand from the Japanese anime, the Dragon Boxes, and even Cell's own feats in the manga, there's evidence from the Daizenshuu pointing towards Cell's superiority.

The Daizenshuu 2's Final Battles section refers to Cell's return to Earth as a ...

Like I said on the first page, there's nothing forcing you to continue participating in the thread if you find it so frustrating.

As I already stated, I'm only participating to show how pointless a thread like this is. This isn't and shouldn't be a debated topic, but people choose to ignore what ...

Nothing stated suggests Super Perfect Cell, who DIED to 50% SS2 Gohan, is stronger.

You're just living in denial for whatever reason.

First off, Perfect Cell was stronger than SSJ1 Gohan.
Headcanon. SS1 Gohan never fought Perfect Cell seriously and instead refused to fight because he didn't want to kill, not even someone as evil as Cell.


Second, SS2 is confirmed to be only a 2x boost over SS1.
Of course you're one of those ...

It basically depends on whether or not Super Perfect Cell is at least a 2x boost over his Perfect form or not. If it is, then SP Cell was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.

According to what, your headcanon? SS2 Gohan completely fodderized Perfect Cell and sure, Super Perfect Cell is stronger than ...

Anything can be "defended" with "well if you were exposed to it first you'd be more familiar with it". Had you initially read some colossal rewrite that called Vegetto "Bob" you'd be accustomed to calling him Bob too.

Exactly..? There's nothing inherently wrong with the name Vegerot, but ...

-Cell got distracted for a second by a depleted (base?) Vegeta throwing him a blast that did nothing but call his attention.

-Gohan was "distracted" for the entirety of the fight by losing an arm to Super Perfect Cell and being pessimistic while talking to the dead.

And Gohan still won.


No ...

Nothing at all states Gohan healed and got all of his chi back. All he did was use all of the remaining power he had left.

That's because you were exposed to the anime first and them calling Vegerot "Vegetto/Vegito." It's the same reason why some fans still call Ultimate Gohan "Mystic," because they were so accustomed to calling it that despite it being wrong.


Anything can be "defended" with "well if you were ...

Gohan, utilizing all of his power he had left, is the reason Cell died, not Vegeta.
Yeah, no. In the anime
There's your problem, you're equating anime filler to facts.


In the manga, we only have Piccolo's statement that Gohan is being overpowered
An irrelevant statement considering a couple ...

Since when was 1,000 tons too heavy for SS Goku & Vegeta to lift? Goku effortlessly lifted 40 tons as a SS in the Boo arc.
First off, it's not 1,000 tons definitively . Beerus states that a Metal Man weighs at least 1,000 tons, and for all we know Otta Magetta could weigh a lot more than that (as ...

there's even a direct line from Piccolo saying, "Gohan can't win, his ki is too weak."

I wonder why he would say that... could it be... because... Gohan lost half his chi tanking an attack meant to kill Vegeta and losing an arm?

https://i.imgur.com/tMmswv3.jpg


No, ultimately Gohan won by ...