Kanzenshuu

This is something I've seen mentioned by Herms and have mentioned myself before: I think it's worth considering the possibility that Toriyama implemented a (bad) retcon of Goku's strength just before the Kid Boo fight. His comment that he could have defeated Fat Boo but held back obviously puts him ...

Welcome to dragon ball post Raditz arrival

If we’re being reductive, sure. But that kind of blanket “DB’s always been like this” take mostly dodges the point. The issue isn’t that things got bigger, it’s that the mechanics of growth and relative power lost clarity. That wasn’t nearly as much ...

Honestly, if Dabra were really weaker than Namek SS Goku, that would imply Babidi’s boost is far greater than the Third Eye’s, which doesn’t really track with how both are portrayed.

I think it’s more consistent to see Gomah’s power as resetting after defeating SS4 Goku (Mini). It drops back down ...

How strong were Chibi SS3 Vegeta aka Ultra Vegeta 1, and Chibi SS4 Goku?

Compared to DBZ enemies? were do you guys rank them? how would they do if they were present during the Buu arc? would that be too much for them?
How about the Cell arc? is that more suitable for them?

And how strong is Kuu ...

That's him saying it's x30 or was at the time of inception.
Still SSJ can never be weaker than the Kaioken, it's contradictory to the progression of the story.

It would also invalidate the whole plot the Saiyans had in the Cell arc. They wanted to go beyond SSJ and ended up mastering, for it to ...

Remember in DBS Broly when Base Goku did about as well against Broly as SSJG Vegeta?

No one said "Base Goku ~ SSJG Vegeta" because that wouldn't make any sense and wasn't the true intention.

I see Base Vegeta's performance against Gomah the same way, it's the classic Toei fetish for having base ...

I think they're about half as strong.

Mini Goku: 1
-- SS: 50
-- SS2: 100
-- SS3: 400
-- SS4: 800

Goku: 2
-- SS: 100
-- SS2: 200
-- SS3: 800
-- SS4: 1600

Tamagami 3: 50
Tamagami 2: 100
Tamagami 1: 150

Dabra: 40
-- Post Babidi: 150

Majin Doo: 200
-- Cookie: 400

Fat Boo: 600
-- Mr. Boo: 200 ...

The Kaioken kinda sucks. In the last arc, Vegeta survived a blast that was, on paper, nearly twice his power level and was still in fighting shape.


That's also assuming the Kamehameha didn't raise Goku's battle power as it did against Raditz, which would put that blast upwards of four times ...

Alright, I've been working for the past week on my battle powers list. I'm trying to put together a list including all of Super and GT. A Z list would be easy(-ish) enough, but I'm trying to make a comprehensive scale for myself. Obviously, this means a lot of things will be up to interpretation ...