Kanzenshuu

its not like he would of helped that much hes probobly only about as strong as Nappa like 4,000, and he probobly would of just asked Bulma or Mr. Briefs to make him a space ship to go back to his home planet assuming Frieza did not destroy it.
Thats why he was not brough back i mean what would he do ...

heres 3 reasone why he didn't

1.well lets just say he killed him right then and there.
So then they would gather the Dragonballs wish there freinds back then go back home, wait a little bit and be killed by King Cold since Vegeta would of been killed in Trunks timeline too.
2.or Vegeta would get ...

He did use it once in GT to get Baby Gohans attention but the Gohan just kills him easily wtf.

My try

Garlic Jr. 600 Piccilo and Goku were both at about 300 but together they can beat him

Dr. Wheelo 30,000 at about Burter or Jeice's strength

Tullece Pre Fruit a little bit weaker than Zarbon so about Daborias level
like 30,000-45,000
Post Fruit about Ginyus level probobly equal or a little ...

I have a question about baby
When he absorbed Goten and Gohan did he make them any stronger?
and why in the world did Piccilo seem so weak?
was it just a stupid gt plothole?

ok so lets just say he was 'mystic' then why in the world did he seem so weak.
Is it cause 17 was so strong or did his strength greatly decrese because he

Gohan can't use Super Saiyan forms after he becomes 'Mystic'.[/quote]

Actually if you have ever watch GT it apperently wore of or something.
As far as we know he could of only had it for 24 hours or so.
If he trained hard enough with Vegeta he could of achieved Super Saiyan 3 and be about as ...

Ya Vegeta, and Tien were really the only one who trained after the Cell Saga on Earth.
Everyone else slacked of.
After GT Goten and Trunks should train more and some achieve
Super Saiyan 2, Gotenks will also be obviously much stronger too. Gohan and Vegeta should train more so they could acheive ...

Olivier Hague wrote:

king jro wrote:they probobly dont even know what logic or cannon means.

What does "cannon" mean, again? ;þ

Cannon is anything that is in the manga and anime.
They add non cannon or filler things so they can take up the 25 minutes per show and how ever many episodes they need for a season.

Goku JR seems like a super whiny sheltered less-smart version of Gohan that inherited Goten's Early SSJ blargitude. So logically, I'd say weaker than or equal to Goten and Trunks before the 25th tournament.
But since when does GT bother using logic?
Never they probobly dont even know what logic or ...

Edit:
Ok How strong do you think Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. are.

He seem to be a very spiritual man whatever religion(seems Buddist) he is that could have something to do with it. Then agian he is Chaozus body gaurd so that could have a bunch to do with it especially in the Saiyan Saga, and in the Cell Saga he probobly noticed that if he did not do anything then ...

I believe i heard somewhere that he is the millitary leader, or something like that.

They are not humans, they just look like humans.
If they were human then the Z Fighters would have know about Frieza much earlier. Since he would of came to Earth during Dragonball and he would killed Goku once he met him, since he is a Saiyan.

Here are some reasons why
1. A.T. had not though of the Kaioshin yet.
2. He wanted to end it after Frieza
3. He knew Goku could beat Frieza.
4. No one know what he was doing between the time he first fought Buu,
and the time he is first show in DBZ, he could of had something else to do at the time ...

Great job Kaboom!
Did u make that?

i do not think he was unconscious, and even if Dende could heal him.
Also why was he not show in the OtherWorld with Krillin and Yamcha?
cause Tenshinhan is my favorite characters.
and yes i will watch my Grammar and stuff i would hte to get banned :(
(man i hate inconsistencies and plot holes ...

Also why was he not show in the OtherWorld with Krillin and Yamcha?

Because they'd been dead for a little while ( a couple hours at least ), and had had time to make their way or get sent to the Grand Kaio's realm. Tenshinhan was probably still in line at the Check-In Station when everyone got ...

i do not think he was unconscious, and even if Dende could heal him.
Also why was he not show in the OtherWorld with Krillin and Yamcha?
cause Tien is my favorite characters.
and yes i will watch my Grammar and stuff i would hte to get banned
(man i hate inconsistencies and plot holes)

In Ep. 252 of DBZ "Ready to Fuse"
Tien appears to deflect one of Buus blasts and then his lower half attacks him then he is not seen until i think when Goku is gathering the spirit Bomb, or maybe The Celebration afterwards, or maybe GT.
Ummm what happened to him cause Goku could of fuse with him or ...