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Vegeta wasn't doing any damage when he first started attacking Moro, but he was hitting him. So being able to hit your opponent is the requirement.

Obviously Vegeta was doing damage, otherwise Moro wouldn't have lost energy in the first place. We see Vegeta do it to planet Moro too. Then ...

Miracles

That's just because he can defuse them, not because he's stronger

You need to damage the individual for Spirit Fission to work.

Vegeta wasn't doing any damage when he first started attacking Moro, but he was hitting him. So being able to hit your opponent is the requirement.

Obviously ...

Miracles

PhantomSaiyan wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 5:27 pm
Miracles wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 3:37 pm No. SSB Gogeta wasn't even a viable option let alone a challenge for Moro with Spirit Fission.
That's just because he can defuse them, not because he's stronger

You need to damage the individual for Spirit Fission to work.

Miracles

Blue fusions have not shown to be in the tier of Goku's UI since the tournament of Power. When we actually reached god level.

Broly was compared to Beerus, the strongest GoD, and yet SSB Gogeta took him down effortlessly. He definitely was God level.

No. SSB Gogeta wasn't even a viable ...

Miracles

Nah, Goku and Vegeta's god techniques are more stable and stronger than it's ever been. Yet Freeza lolol one shotted them.

Blue fusions have not shown to be in the tier of Goku's UI since the tournament of Power. When we actually reached god level.

Miracles

Yes sir, Jiren's potential couldn't be measured [Gauge his ceiling]. He was countering Goku's UI through determination as the fight went on. However, that was only due to the fact that Goku's body couldn't handle UI [Strain] since it was his first time using it. Both were at a disadvantage and it ...

Miracles

I think there's a case to be made that Toriyama had some broad strokes ideas of Broly, Cell Max, Jiren, etc., occupying the same general realm of strength as Beerus and other Gods of Destruction, hence why they're all mentioned in the same breadth with DBS:SH and surrounding media.

There is no ...

Miracles

Goku, Vegeta, Broly and Gohan are no where near Beerus. Freeza one shots Goku and Vegeta. Even with Broly's power and Vegeta's god form Goku says Freeza's Black mode is "something else." That's another realm of power.

It was 2-3 years prior when they got knocked out by Black Frieza. Then ...

Miracles

Goku, Vegeta, Broly and Gohan are no where near Beerus. Freeza one shots Goku and Vegeta. Even with Broly's power and Vegeta's god form Goku says Freeza's Black mode is "something else." That's another realm of power.

Miracles

Concerning Granolah vs Blue Vegeta. As the fight went on Vegeta's power was unlocking and ultimately his battle with Granola brought out his true potential, Ultra Ego.

As far as Blue Goku vs Gas. Gas wanted to see the fire in Goku's eye's that his father had. Then Goku played defense by playing ...

Miracles

picc wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2026 10:19 pm Could Goku using his Blue form from the end of the Granolah saga (or currently) beat Jiren from the ToP?

Yes. Especially when he can use Ultra Instinct with Blue.

Miracles

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: Sat May 09, 2026 3:30 pm
Koitsukai wrote: Thu May 07, 2026 1:01 pm
Miracles wrote: Fri May 08, 2026 5:29 pm It's just a powered up version of SSJ [All his modes] after making SSJG another form of Goku's. Nothing more. It is and was never as strong as or stronger than Red.

Goku's ki was felt. Meaning he is no longer god.

Miracles

It's just a powered up version of SSJ [All his modes] after making SSJG another form of Goku's. Nothing more. It is and was never as strong as or stronger than Red.

Miracles

In terms of raw power and speed, Beast Gohan is at the top but he hasn't mastered Beast so he can't use his true full power yet and instead he had to power up right to the point where he will go berserk then he stops. This method rapidly drains his stamina though, as we see with him panting and ...

Miracles

Ajay has confirmed on Twitter (I'm not calling it "X") that the remake will indeed end after the Champa arc, however, he also said that doesn't mean they won't revisit it once the Moro arc concludes. If I had to guess, I'd say we'll get the Black and TOP remakes between the Moro and Granola arcs ...

Miracles

I miss Toriyama. Hope the DB anime franchise has a good grasp on what the legend left behind. Use everything in his archives to the fullest. Don't hold back!

Miracles

Concerning Super Saiyan god. Against Beerus, as he was fighting, Goku didn't even realize he transformed out of SSJG back into Blonde. Beerus explains that the power drop was not drastic. It was pretty close, so near Kakarott didn't even recognize there was a difference[./i] It's due to making the ...

Miracles

What is the two base theory? And why would there be even such a theory anyway?

It's Saiyan beyond God, I don't know why people just can't say that name. And it's not a theory since it's an official thing .

It says a Saiyan can attain "god- like " power without changing form. Then if a "god ...

Miracles

What is the two base theory? And why would there be even such a theory anyway?

Miracles

Piccolo in the U6 tournament surpassed Cell. The guy was able to defend attacks from final form Frost and the only way he got beat was the same way SSJ Goku did. With hidden poison attacks.

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