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by Miracles
Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Again, you are trying to skirt 7-3's established fact that he absorbs an opponent's ability and power fully . Why would he lose to #17 using Moro's backup? Will you argue that #17 is stronger than SSBE Vegeta or Sign Goku? Furthermore, you keep ignoring that Merus hadn't activated his angel powers ...
by Miracles
Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:06 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Again you use reductionist views. Just putting up Goku talking about UI but ignoring Whis stating that Moro also has "angel powers" running through his body more than once. Moro not only absorbed UI but Merus powers as well. Again this all falls back on that 7-3 absorbs both abilities and physical ...
by Miracles
Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

No it doesn't further your point. Your assuming that Moro only absorbed UI. When the story also states that Moro has "angel power" coursing through his body. Again, we aren't debating the story but your beliefs. Ultra Instinct is angel power. https://read.mangadad.com/Mangadad/dragon-ball-super/cha...
by Miracles
Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Where was it stated that 73 copied Moro's combat abilities? They only ever specify magic, that's why #17 and #18 are able to defeat him. And once again, this is still an irrelevant discussion because Moro copied Merus before Merus had unleashed his full power. https://i.postimg.cc/0NJ5WTRp/Capture....
by Miracles
Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:23 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Not accurate. Moro states that having a backup inside 7-3 was due to having him "not only" copy his magic but also his "combat abilities." To the point that 7-3 had a "complete" backup of Moro's power within him. So again, the story reasserts that 7-3 copies both physical power and ability complete...
by Miracles
Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Ultra Instinct is an all around power level booster. Before, Moro tried to punch UI Goku, his hand broke. Afterwards, using Meru's powers, he was physically able to clash with UI Goku evenly . Whis backs this up even more stating that Moro has "angel powers." The action and dialogue are too in sync...
by Miracles
Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's up for debate because OG-73 using Moro's backup was easily defeated by #17 and #18. If he had access to Moro's physical prowess on top of his magic, then he wouldn't lose, unless you believe #17 and #18 are stronger than spirit fission Vegeta and Sign Goku (or that OG-73 had an outdated backup...
by Miracles
Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think it's debatable. Moro implies he only really copied Ultra Instinct and not much else. Not to mention Goku himself seems doubtful he could pull off the same stunt Merus did when Whis explains what he had to do. It's really not debatable. Especially when the texts tells us, 7-3 copying a perso...
by Miracles
Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:00 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 37603
Views: 3025040

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

We are two months from the Moro arc and Granola is after 7-3. To be continued.
by Miracles
Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Actually, In the second battle against Moro's minions, after the Z fighters trained for two months. 7-3 grabbed the stronger Gohan and Piccolo. It was then stated "any training" they did was "totally worthless" now. This means he copies everything one fully has. Whatever strength they gained belongs...
by Miracles
Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

When 7-3 copies a person, the techs and moves are equally powerful. This also goes for physical attacks. So Moro copied Merus completely. Moro was using Merus full power and UI Goku was stated to be equal with that ability. It's a fact, UI Goku is just as strong as Merus in battle power. I think it...
by Miracles
Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

When 7-3 copies a person, the techs and moves are equally powerful. This also goes for physical attacks. So Moro copied Merus completely. Moro was using Merus full power since it's "no different" as if Merus used it. UI Goku was stated to be equal with that ability. It's a fact, UI Goku is just as s...
by Miracles
Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:59 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Fans can not make up their own rules. Dragonball is already under rooted commands. The authority himself: Toriyama; that presides over all, confirms the current enemy is the "strongest every time." " He went even further, saying: there is "no way" to take a step back. And he will not let people tell...
by Miracles
Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:57 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

There you go again..Making conclusive statements all by yourself. Claiming Broly was placed with Beerus based on Goku theorizing Broly is "probably stronger" than Beerus. You just committed a fallacy. Presenting a definite based on guesswork. Circular assumptive reasoning. Yeah he was, cause as you...
by Miracles
Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Which means nothing to the actual scene where Goku is crushing Sanganbo and calling him sturdy for enduring all his attacks and lectures him that being sturdy doesn't mean anything. You shot yourself with this one, they seem tough, yet power wise they are trash and their leader Sanganbo was conside...
by Miracles
Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:19 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

You are confusing yourself because you are incorrectly isolating words out of it's surrounding environment. Wrongly using the dialogue separately from it's entire contextual point of discussion. We all know; earlier in the Galactic Patrol arc, since Namek; the purpose of Moro giving Saganbo and his...
by Miracles
Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:20 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

He does know his power as shown in the manga. Goku witness Beerus at his best, he saw his movements, he saw what he is capable of doing at FP, he saw his destructive prowess against other GoDs. So their is nothing to hide unlike Goku previous enemies who Goku didn't know much about when making them...
by Miracles
Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I was the first one to post an example of herms "strength checker" thread using "tough" interchangeably. Even Goku's wrongful speculation about Cell's strength concerning the word "probably" in context. What's mind boggling is radical fans are trying very hard to usurp the story of Dragonball. Prete...
by Miracles
Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:40 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The fact that these characters (who ARE Blue Fusion level for certain!) have been compared in any way to Lord Beerus says enough! Because even if these statements turn out to be false, the fact that these statements regarding them exist.. says something! No such statements exist for single UI Goku ...
by Miracles
Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33634
Views: 2079907

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Yes, and that means that Broly and Vegito Blue from the Future Trunks Arc are also still much stronger than current UI Goku, Moro Merus, Merus, and Jiren. Since they (Fusion level characters!) are the only ones to have been directly compared to the mighty Lord Beerus. The writers aren’t stupid you ...