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by ABED
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:09 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Early Buu Saga (Great Saiyaman)...A High Point in Popularity?
Replies: 33
Views: 499

Re: Early Buu Saga (Great Saiyaman)...A High Point in Popularity?

It is played for laughs. There's no danger or stakes. Gohan is playing superhero and no crook has any chance against him. He's dressing up and dancing funny. And Videl trying to find his identity is absolutely played for laughs. It's practically a romcom. I saw plenty of danger/stakes in each Saiya...
by ABED
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:36 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

It's not inherently better. He knows the difference btw right and wrong and still does the wrong thing. He has no reason to apologize. The TOP wasn't his idea. Goku knows how strong Zeno was thanks to Zeno destroying Future Trunks time line and he knows how dangerous he can be. Goku wanted to go to...
by ABED
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:55 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

It's not inherently better. He knows the difference btw right and wrong and still does the wrong thing.

He has no reason to apologize. The TOP wasn't his idea.
by ABED
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:16 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

Here is one thing that was 100% out of character for Goku and that is acting like a villain towards the other universe. So the other universe blames Goku for going to Zeno, knowing how dangerous Zeno is but Goku thinks it is smart to act like a villain. In DBS I don't recall Goku ever apologizing o...
by ABED
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:53 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Early Buu Saga (Great Saiyaman)...A High Point in Popularity?
Replies: 33
Views: 499

Re: Early Buu Saga (Great Saiyaman)...A High Point in Popularity?

That wasn't a criticism. It was just me calling a spade a spade. Videl trying to find out GS's identity is meant to be funny.

I'm all for silliness but at least be funny and don't wear out your welcome.
by ABED
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:10 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Early Buu Saga (Great Saiyaman)...A High Point in Popularity?
Replies: 33
Views: 499

Re: Early Buu Saga (Great Saiyaman)...A High Point in Popularity?

I guess maybe that's why 66 only lasted as long as it did. Had they done it seriously, they might have gotten a few more years out of it. There was no way they were ever going to make it serious and pull it off successfully. Especially since the comics didn’t start getting serious until the 70s. Th...
by ABED
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:03 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

Perhaps but this is hardly what I would call a substantive criticism of Super as a whole. This thread started because the OP rightfully stated that Super's dub portrayed Goku closer to his actual character as created by Toriyama instead of the superhero he was portrayed as in the DBZ dub. Subsequen...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

Perhaps but this is hardly what I would call a substantive criticism of Super as a whole. This thread started because the OP rightfully stated that Super's dub portrayed Goku closer to his actual character as created by Toriyama instead of the superhero he was portrayed as in the DBZ dub. Subsequent...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:06 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

Goku doesn't know any of that. For all he knows Monaka can suppress his ki to nearly unchartable levels. Goku has the words of a god that Monaka is strong. He doesn't know what Monaka's powers are. He knows nothing about him. Perhaps he should've questioned Beerus more but he has seen plenty to know...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:28 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

I brought it up because you made an earlier point that Goku should've been able to sense Monaka's lack of battle power as though he is able to perfectly gauge any opponent. We've seen plenty of times where he didn't. This is a silly moment but not for the reasons you're saying and it's not an exampl...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:45 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

Please stop telling me the plot especially when it doesn't prove your point. Goku thought Freeza was bluffing thus being an example of Goku not always being able to accurately grasp the depth of his opponent's power. Sacrificing a little bit of logic for the sake of a joke is hardly the big deal you...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:19 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

Goku can still make mistakes regardless of how well he can sense ki. He underestimated Buu and no it wasn't because of God ki. If a someone can't sense or doesn't know their opponent full power, then it is normal to wrongly estimate their opponent. Goku did say himself that Kid Buu wasn't taking th...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:39 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: things that grind your gears
Replies: 3874
Views: 269980

Re: things that grind your gears

It puts things in a new light but DB still functions without the reveal. Of course it does. I'm saying it re-contextualizes part 1, so you can't fault fans for picking up on it. Only slightly since the audience never needed that question answered. Hell it wasn't really a question the narrative aske...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:31 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: things that grind your gears
Replies: 3874
Views: 269980

Re: things that grind your gears

We don't need an explanation as to why he's so special. He just is. It puts things in a new light but DB still functions without the reveal.
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:16 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: things that grind your gears
Replies: 3874
Views: 269980

Re: things that grind your gears

I feel like it often gets overlooked that Goku really isn’t much stronger than expertly trained martial arts and he only surpasses them through hard rigorous training (and the super god water that one time) he’s weaker than Roshi and Tao when he first meets them. And about on par with Tenshinhan wh...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:01 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

While i think that's fair Goku is also not that intelligent. Perhaps the show could've had shown Beerus covering his scent but being stupid isn't in itself an issue in this case. Goku may not be intelligent, but he is incredibly perceptive, especially when it comes to battle. The episode portrayed ...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:54 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

Truthfully the premise of “Let’s continue to fool Goku into thinking Monaka is strong by having Beerus dress up as him”’ isn’t any more dumb than Chi Chi going “Even though I’m the one who gets groceries I need you Goku to get a driver’s license even though you can literally transport anywhere in a...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:36 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?
Replies: 152
Views: 2918

Re: Dub-fans, was there an adjustment period for you when Goku started to be portrayed correctly in DBS?

Goku can still make mistakes regardless of how well he can sense ki. He underestimated Buu and no it wasn't because of God ki.
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:18 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: things that grind your gears
Replies: 3874
Views: 269980

Re: things that grind your gears

The overemphasis on lore and world building and not enough on story or theme. For instance many think of the value of Goku as a Saiyan reveal to be a function of explaining why Goku is so special as opposed to the story making a point about hard work and overcoming limits. I feel like it often gets...
by ABED
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:52 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: things that grind your gears
Replies: 3874
Views: 269980

Re: things that grind your gears

The overemphasis on lore and world building and not enough on story or theme. For instance many think of the value of Goku as a Saiyan reveal to be a function of explaining why Goku is so special as opposed to the story making a point about hard work and overcoming limits.