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[Doctor Seaweed Roll]

Does anybody have photos of the other cover of the double cover of these?

[super michael]

How do you guys rank these characters based on their natural potential? As in, strip them down to a PL of 5, have them train non-stop in a ROSAT for a year, what's the order of strength?

Majin Boo
Freeza
Cell
Broly
Gohan
Goten
Trunks
Goku
Vegeta
Tenshinhan
Kuririn
Piccolo
Jiren
Zamasu
Goku Black
Dabura
Android 17
Moro
Raditz
Nappa

Goten and Trunks in just 1 week in the ROSAT, they managed to do these things:

- Perfected the fusion dance technique
- Discovered that they can transform while fused, which Goku didn't know it was possible
- Unlock SSJ2 and SSJ3 for their fusion
- Created and mastered some of their techniques while fused
- Increase their power a lot

If they achieved all that in just 1 week, imagine if they were allowed to train with 1 year. They never got their potential unlocked in anyway, unlike Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo and Kuririn.


I think it would be better to add a mentor in the ROSAT also, otherwise some may gain power the wrong way such as Future Trunks SSJ Grade 3 an example. Some characters skills and power increased a lot thanks to their masters.

[SHINOBI-03]

I didn't know Jakks Pacific made Dragon Ball toys until I saw this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3gmJJPP_c

[Doctor Seaweed Roll]

I didn't know Jakks Pacific made Dragon Ball toys until I saw this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3gmJJPP_c

this makes me miss my IRWIN Yamcha i had because as far as i know it is the only figure of him in his yellow suit

[HAPPYMOOCOW31]

I got a question; I want to fact check the fan translation of a line in sdbh dark demon realm, where on the final page, the supreme kai of time says "I'm calling on the strongest warrior from your memory" and I want to know how accurate the translation is for a video essay I'm starting regarding wether xeno Goku is an Humoculus

[LoganForkHands73]

Thank you for your input. I think I generally agree, but I'd push back on just a few placements.

Jiren: the reason I made up the scenario was to remove mindset from the equation, since obviously that's what holds people like Gohan back. Jiren is portrayed as a weakling who got strong due to his determination and drive, and his understanding of how Ki works. I don't think his genetics played a big part. I'd wager if everyone else had his mentality, they'd probably rank higher. I'd probably rank him just a bit above Goku but toward the lower end of the list.

Goku vs Vegeta: I disagree, because they don't train the same. Goku benefited from various masters, magical potential unlocks, otherworldly training methods, deeper understanding of Ki, and still was half Vegeta's strength when they met. Then Goku kept training with others while Vegeta isolated himself, Goku varied his training methods whereas Vegeta stuck to conventional gravity training, Goku knew how to rest, whereas Vegeta overtrained. By the time they both share the same conditions, Vegeta achieved SSG without the need for the ritual, and is now arguably stronger than Goku in their base forms. I think the series definitely supports the reading Goku has lower potential but keeps up by being smarter and more humble.

Boo: He went from SS2 tier to SSB tier in the Moro arc just by unlocking his memories, or "latent power." Who knows how strong he can get from training on top of it. Plus Oob definitely has the highest potential in the series since his energy was enough to power MUI back to full strength and dwarfed all the dragon team's Ki put together. Boo and Oob's potential should be relative at least, so he's definitely top 5.

I concede that Buu has the dog in him, but not sure if that would change his position much in our hierarchy. IIRC, Moro in his prime was also Super Saiyan Blue level without an ounce of training, and admittedly with a hell of a lot of cheating and undercutting, he managed to get to a much higher level than Buu ever dreamed of. Although, in the ROSAT scenario, Moro would be severely limited by a lack of planets to eat, so it’s a hard call.

I think Jiren is a good case study of how intense training and mindset is all about unleashing one’s innate potential. And this is a guy whose potential was great enough that simple training managed to elevate him above the level of a God of Destruction. That’s not a million miles off Freeza’s infamous 4-month training regime bringing him up to Super Saiyan Blue level. For Jiren, I don’t think his species played much of a role, but like Freeza, he may just be an extreme prodigy among his race.

As for Goku and Vegeta, it’s definitely fair to say that his Super Elite genetics gave him a headstart over his rival initially, but there’s evidence both ways in terms of who truly has the highest potential cap. Compare their near-death zenkai boosts in the Namek arc. Vegeta was hopeless against Final Form Freeza, whereas Goku was able to challenge him. Goku has always been the trailblazer, always getting new forms first. Some of that can be attributed to more efficient training methods, but there’s no denying that Vegeta also works extremely hard. Just look at Daima for a recent example. Only a few months after the Buu arc, Goku was ready to reach Super Saiyan 4, while Vegeta is still only at Super Saiyan 3 — sorry, “Ultra Vegeta 1” — and struggling with stamina issues. So much of the series is about him grappling with being second-best despite all the apparent advantages he had, and the fact that the Saiyan caste system he bought into so heavily was mostly bullshit.

[Koitsukai]

About Goku and Vegeta, people always omit that Goku never got to experience the actual gravity his body was meant to live under, not until he was in his mid 20s, and for 6 months only.
He was raised on very easy mode and then encountered a dude that lived most of his life on very hard mode, caught up to him with less than a year under higher gravity and eventually surpassed him.

I think both routes cancel each other out: one had physiological advantages, while the other had the benefit of harsher training. Sure, Goku knew his way around a battle, but Vegeta had the "gravity muscle" much more developed.

[ABED]

About Goku and Vegeta, people always omit that Goku never got to experience the actual gravity his body was meant to live under, not until he was in his mid 20s, and for 6 months only.
He was raised on very easy mode and then encountered a dude that lived most of his life on very hard mode, caught up to him with less than a year under higher gravity and eventually surpassed him.

I think both routes cancel each other out: one had physiological advantages, while the other had the benefit of harsher training. Sure, Goku knew his way around a battle, but Vegeta had the "gravity muscle" much more developed.

Did Vegeta actually experience it that long? He did as a kid but we don't know what the artificial gravity was like on the ships he spent a lot of his time on.

[Doctor Seaweed Roll]

Found on Ebay a funny looking official Goku mask



I'm considering buying it as it would be fun to have some merch that is older than me but than again I don't know where I'd put it due to limited space in my room