I have memories of people thinking for years and years that Ultimate, Mystic considering the times, was a permanent upgrade and pretty much just Gohan's new default base form.
I mean, that is pretty obviously what the deal is in the original manga version of things before any middling midquels ...
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- Thu Aug 06, 2026 4:21 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Why are Beast and ''Ultra Instinct'' the same color?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 641
- Tue Aug 04, 2026 11:31 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Why are Beast and ''Ultra Instinct'' the same color?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 641
Re: Why are Beast and ''Ultra Instinct'' the same color?
Brown and orange are pretty distinct colors that haven't already been used yet (for Gokuu, Gohan, Vegeeta, etc).
I didn't just say Saiyan forms. Orange has now been used for "Cheeto Dust" Piccolo, and technically brown was already used ages ago for good ol' Great Ape.
That said, if "Beast" Gohan ...
I didn't just say Saiyan forms. Orange has now been used for "Cheeto Dust" Piccolo, and technically brown was already used ages ago for good ol' Great Ape.
That said, if "Beast" Gohan ...
- Tue Aug 04, 2026 10:07 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Why are Beast and ''Ultra Instinct'' the same color?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 641
Re: Why are Beast and ''Ultra Instinct'' the same color?
I think the real reason is pretty obviously that all these various "new" forms in the modern era have very little if any actual creative thought behind them, are largely just barely-tweaked color-swaps of previously existing forms... and by this point they've pretty much run out of distinct primary ...
- Tue Aug 04, 2026 9:24 pm
- Forum: In-Universe Discussion
- Topic: True Legendary Super Saiyan form thoughts
- Replies: 9
- Views: 221
Re: True Legendary Super Saiyan form thoughts
As far as I'm concerned, the "True Legendary Super Saiyan" is the real Broli as he was in Z Movie 8. Unlike his later brain-damaged M11 self or the ripoff DBS version, he wasn't just an out-of-control berserker who didn't know what he was doing. He was fully conscious and aware of his actions, but ...
- Mon Jul 27, 2026 11:49 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: "Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot" Official Discussion Thread
- Replies: 2549
- Views: 971246
Re: "Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot" Official Discussion Thread
They already did Daima DLC, so why wouldn't they want to do "Daima but better" DLC with GT too?
- Sun Jul 26, 2026 11:32 am
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: "Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread
- Replies: 3103
- Views: 1014972
Re: "Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread
Technically not true. Cabba is proving to be an excellent punching bag for when I'm playing as actually-good characters.Cold Skin wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 6:54 am...anti-Super attitude as if NOT A SINGLE GOOD THING ever came from it...
- Fri Jul 24, 2026 9:20 am
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: "Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread
- Replies: 3103
- Views: 1014972
Re: "Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread
I suspect/hope that any any future Moro or Granolah DLC would come in the form of smaller isolated packs that are easy to exclude, like with the Fake Broli and Super Hero and Daima stuff.
- Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:10 am
- Forum: In-Universe Discussion
- Topic: Kid Buu vs Buuhan(Article):
- Replies: 139
- Views: 133650
Re: Kid Buu vs Buuhan(Article):
Okay, bye.
- Fri May 29, 2026 8:01 am
- Forum: Fan-Created Works
- Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
- Replies: 12943
- Views: 3093264
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
The solution is to simply not try so hard to equate Dabra to any one specific level of power that Cell showed. Goku's comparison was very vague and not even based on actually sensing Dabra's ki.
He's just a broadly "Cell tier" opponent, and then you work out a more specific estimate than that ...
He's just a broadly "Cell tier" opponent, and then you work out a more specific estimate than that ...
- Thu May 28, 2026 5:24 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 40584
- Views: 6882774
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Don't forget that the Battle of Gods movie was originally written and even animated with Super Saiyan Gohan, not Ultimate Gohan, and they just recolored his hair and aura for his short "fight" with Beerus in the 11th hour. The movie also didn't let Gotenks use Super Saiyan 3, either.
No need to ...
No need to ...
- Sun May 24, 2026 6:17 pm
- Forum: In-Universe Discussion
- Topic: How Plausible is it That Raditz Knew how to Make an Artificial Moon?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 52707
Re: How Plausible is it That Raditz Knew how to Make an Artificial Moon?
I actually do have a little headcanon about this topic.
So it takes "17 million zenos" of magic moon radiation to trigger the Great Ape transformation, right? Well what if there's a direct conversion rate at work with the raw amount of ki a Saiyan has to sacrifice to create a Power Ball putting ...
So it takes "17 million zenos" of magic moon radiation to trigger the Great Ape transformation, right? Well what if there's a direct conversion rate at work with the raw amount of ki a Saiyan has to sacrifice to create a Power Ball putting ...
- Sat May 02, 2026 12:00 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Daima
- Topic: Would removing Neva's macguffin Super Saiyan 4 fix Daima for you?
- Replies: 126
- Views: 44802
Re: Would removing Neva's macguffin Super Saiyan 4 fix Daima for you?
"Fixed Daima" already exists, it's called GT.
This!
But now that the obvious answer is out of the way... This is gonna sound weird and possibly self-contradictory, but no. As much as I dislike False SS4 itself for being a cheap, phoned-in imitation of the real thing from GT, I actually wouldn't ...
This!
But now that the obvious answer is out of the way... This is gonna sound weird and possibly self-contradictory, but no. As much as I dislike False SS4 itself for being a cheap, phoned-in imitation of the real thing from GT, I actually wouldn't ...
- Sun Apr 26, 2026 5:21 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: "Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread
- Replies: 3103
- Views: 1014972
Re: "Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread
I can only hope that the continued baffling lack of Arale in the roster means that they're saving her for some future "World of Toriyama" DLC pack, alongside new characters like Neko Majin, Ackman, Beelzebub, Cashman, one of the proto-Gokus, maybe Mashirito as a villain... You'd think they'd save ...
- Thu Apr 23, 2026 5:00 pm
- Forum: Fan-Created Works
- Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
- Replies: 12943
- Views: 3093264
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
If Vegeta was confident enough to win the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai even with the “No Super Saiyan” rule, how would he deal with the power gap between his base form and opponents like Android 18 and Piccolo?
1. Vegeta technically never actually said "I'll still win the tournament" or "I'm still ...
1. Vegeta technically never actually said "I'll still win the tournament" or "I'm still ...
- Sat Mar 07, 2026 10:10 pm
- Forum: In-Universe Discussion
- Topic: Was SSJ Goku really 150 million on Namek?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 21503
Re: Was SSJ Goku really 150 million on Namek?
Yes.
He and Freeza's injuries may have held back their actual battle performance somewhat, compared to if they were both fresh and unscathed. But that's a separate thing from how much raw ki power they actually had to work with. And if literally everything says that was 150 million for Goku and ...
He and Freeza's injuries may have held back their actual battle performance somewhat, compared to if they were both fresh and unscathed. But that's a separate thing from how much raw ki power they actually had to work with. And if literally everything says that was 150 million for Goku and ...
- Wed Feb 25, 2026 3:19 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Daima
- Topic: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 274599
Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Ah yes, the so-called "authentic history" that so far has at least two, soon three, separate and incompatible versions of itself.
- Mon Jan 26, 2026 4:02 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: "Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot" Official Discussion Thread
- Replies: 2549
- Views: 971246
Re: "Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot" Official Discussion Thread
I really like the idea of Rildo and Super 17 being prologue-like fights to set the stage for what's next, so fingers crossed it actually happens.
I know it's probably just a pipe dream, but yeah I'd still really like to see something along these lines happen. Obviously Baby and the Shadow Dragons ...
I know it's probably just a pipe dream, but yeah I'd still really like to see something along these lines happen. Obviously Baby and the Shadow Dragons ...
- Mon Jan 26, 2026 2:37 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: "Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot" Official Discussion Thread
- Replies: 2549
- Views: 971246
Re: "Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot" Official Discussion Thread
Well "cover" might not be the right word for it. Maybe "represent" or "acknowledge." I also neglected to mention that they could use the same "prologue fight" method that the 23rd World Tournament DLC did with Goku vs King Piccolo.
So what I pictured is Part 1 would be Baby (both on Earth and New ...
So what I pictured is Part 1 would be Baby (both on Earth and New ...
- Mon Jan 26, 2026 2:21 pm
- Forum: Video Games
- Topic: "Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot" Official Discussion Thread
- Replies: 2549
- Views: 971246
Re: "Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot" Official Discussion Thread
On the contrary, if they did some GT DLC, they could feasibly cover the entire series in just a two-part package like Daima, and thus leave this game as the most relatively uninfected-by-Super and worthwhile entry of the current generations. They already had a good start by adapting the Bardock TV ...
- Sat Jan 24, 2026 10:36 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 DBS remaster, DBS galactic patrol arc, Age 1000 announced.
- Replies: 1156
- Views: 281126
Re: Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 on january 25th will have Dragon Ball announcements
Then don’t comment. We don’t need your negativity here. He can have an negative opinion. The issue is that he's intentionally trying to be incendiary like it's a big deal.
And we don’t really need him to bring that here. He has the bad history with Super. I’m just simply telling him that this isn ...
And we don’t really need him to bring that here. He has the bad history with Super. I’m just simply telling him that this isn ...