Kanzenshuu

What exactly is this supposed to change or prove, anyway? We've already known for years that Koyama is his own creation's biggest fanboy, and has a hard time envisioning any other foe as stronger than Broli. Even though he helped create two such stronger foes in Janemba and Hirudegarn.

Yeah, the English word "passive" doesn't really have the type of impact I think they were hoping for... Not-stupid-Bra calling Stupid-Bra "a pushover" instead would have worked a lot better.

It would help if everyone stopped needlessly quoting the entire post of whoever they're replying to.

~HINT, HINT.~

Ditto. I don't care how "epic" a dub thinks they're making a line sound, accuracy to the actual original dialogue is always better by default.

He didn't start using the Kaio-Ken at all until after Freeza started using 50% of his full power and pummeling him. You see Goku flare up the Kaio-Ken aura at least once before Kaio tells us that he's using the x10 version.

From what we've been told (I can't remember exactly where, help me out) ... Vegeta was the only one of the three Saiyans with any special rank among Freeza's forces, being up there with other extra-strong people like Zarbon, Dodoria, and the Ginyu Force. So by Freeza-Army standards, Raditz and Nappa...

At first, yes. But then it just kept scratching, too hard, and ended up breaking the skin and giving me a nasty infection.

...To make a gross but apt analogy of how I've come to view DB's modern revival and boom as a whole.

Just something I'd like to note, everyone... if we're going to be posting long, comprehensive lists complete with notes and stuff as actual posts in this thread (as opposed to offsite links or something) , let's try to use spoiler tags to keep everything compartmentalized and compact, to make it eas...

Remember this is the “unofficial power level discussion” thread. There isn’t such a rule in this thread that every list has to strictly follow numbers given in guidebooks or directly by Toriyama. It’s not a disrespect of the original work, just an attempt of trying to make a little sense of it, des...

You said Buuhan is just adding Gohan and Pure Buu but what about Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo? If I am misunderstanding then my apologies Their power is so small and inconsequential compared to Ultimate Gohan's that I usually just don't even bother factoring them in. If Gohan is at 150, then the comb...

Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise? Vegeta is at 18,000 and Freeza is at 120 million . We've had official numbers for both those guys for almost 30 years now, no debate or speculation needed. Battle of Gods gave us an upper ceiling for Goku's base-form po...

"We currently have no plans on continuing with the Buu Saga, in either our original style, or in the style of the ShortZ, at this time."

Well, that settles it then. The last tenuous thread holding onto my interest in any of TFS' work has been severed.

Games have been making up their own power levels for years. Those numbers don't really have any bearing on anything but the game itself.

Hmmmmmm... this may come as a surprise, but I think I'll be skipping this one. [/venomous sarcasm]

I'm totally down with TFS switching methods and using their own 3D animation assets for DBZ-related content from now on. It'll give them a lot more creative freedom AND hopefully also get Toei to piss off with all the constant bogus copyright claims. I liked the first Dragon Short a lot and I'm exci...

This thread managed to slip by me at first, but I still want to add my two hefty cents. I don't think power amplification is quite so cut-and-dry, being strictly either "can amp your attacks a lot" or "can't amp your attacks at all." It makes sense to me that, when you really put your full effort in...

Within the Saiyan hierarchy, Raditz was a low-class, while Nappa was a mid/elite-class and Vegeta was a super-elite.

But in the ranks of Freeza's forces, both Raditz and Nappa were of equal rank as regular soldiers, and only Vegeta held some sort of higher status.

I think Vegeta's second fight with Zarbon might count. It's quite possible Vegeta was still the weaker one of the two, what with him still being at less than 30k when he was so soundly trounced at 24k before. But he used the strategy of blinding Zarbon with sand and then landing some solid preemptiv...

Bringing in Gohan and/or Gotenks to fight isn't necessarily the safer solution though. They each already had opportunities to defeat Boo but screwed it up. Not because they were weaker, but because they were brash, careless, or actually outsmarted. So against a Boo who's now weaker but more unhinged...

Yeah, I can't recall every detail or anything, but the manga version of Super seems to lean pretty heavily towards "Goku and Vegeta only have god-level power in their god-forms." Which would be a hugely welcome relief compared to the inconsistent mess of the anime version.