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by JulieYBM
Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:20 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

Actually, the more I think about it, the writers of GT probably weren’t very interested in making anyone other Goku look good in that show. Yeah, Pan is often relegated to the damsel in distress, but you could argue that characters like Gohan and Goten were treated worse. Their only real contributi...
by JulieYBM
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

Please stop using humor to make fun of women, LGBTQIA+ people and BIPOC. It's really not that hard. When you have privilege it's not your place to use your platform to make jokes of immutable attributes or stereotypes of those with less privilege than you. Also, the jokes aren't even fucking funny. ...
by JulieYBM
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:25 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

Dragon Ball isn't above criticism, of course not but I find it a bit odd when folks feel like they gotta throw their social issues onto a piece art to create problems that aren't there. I think several of the people in this thread have adequately pointed out the problems that are very much there an...
by JulieYBM
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:22 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

The narrative context of Pan usually being relegated to the "damsel in distress" trope and not becoming a Super Saiyan, despite the fact that literally every other major Saiyan character who was introduced in the main plot became a Super Saiyan, very much stems from a sexist mentality. Honestly tho...
by JulieYBM
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:25 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

Trans people have existed forever. It's not like we're some new revelation of the modern era. We see in the depiction of gay men as creepy villains and predators in Dragon Ball that Toriyama doesn't have qualms with not just queer-coding villains but also making villains outright queer to increase '...
by JulieYBM
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:40 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/20/the-dad-who-gave-birth-pregnant-trans-freddy-mcconnell Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Thanks for the link, I can't believe that was possible. Plenty of trans men still have kids with their uteruses. Additionally, plenty trans women use their penises to have ...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:25 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

Case in Point Oolong was kidnapping the girls sure, but the twist was the he was giving them a luxurious place to stay but we forget about that part because we're too focused on the made up idea that he was raping them. It's not a made up idea. The story is setting up the audience to believe Oolong...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:25 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

In other words I was selecting one part of what Julie said cause I was concerned it meant people couldn't not be into...well that. I agreed with pretty much the rest that the depiction there was problematic. Maybe my wording wasn't clear enough, but I'm referring to the process of a romantic relati...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:07 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

That's not the implication. It's saying he's not into guys. (Also, it's just offensive to turn down someone you're in to because of their genitalia). To which I say "Tough!" If someone is turned off by that, that's just not what they are attracted to. Illustrating "penis equals guy" is the issue, t...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:03 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

MasenkoHA wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:02 pm
JulieYBM wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:57 pm
. Oolong is also implying that a woman is only good for her vagina.
Oolong is also a shitbucket though.
Eh, yeah. I just wish the moral/resolution had been a little more pointed given the plethora of issues with the story.
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:57 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

It may not but what's wrong with Oolong not liking penises? Oolong's implication in the context is that he hates penis' because it means that 'penis means man', but he doesn't like men...well, hell, until he saw the penis he was pretty into Gokuu anyway. Oolong is also implying that a woman is only...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:43 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

"Man dresses as woman to deceive straight man, gets found out as Having a Penis" is a pretty common joke. You’re right it is and if Goku had dressed up as a girl to have sex with Oolong I’d agree with you but Goku isn’t trying to get with Oolong he doesn’t even want to wear the clothes. He’s dresse...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:36 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

KBABZ wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:34 pm
JulieYBM wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:26 pm
You don't need intent to do something thoughtless and harmful.
Kinda the moral of this whole thread, honestly.
Hence why we must hold the powerful accountable for their use or misuse of their platforms.
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:26 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

I’m not positive that Toriyama in 1984 even realized what a transperson is. *trans person. Furthermore, transphobia like that was all the rage in films at the time. We DO know that he is an avid film viewer, too. That being said, accidental transphobia is still transphobia. You don't need intent to...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:15 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

I also just remembered the transphobia in the Oolong chapters I know there was the scene where Oolong sees Goku’s junk and freaks out because “its the thing he hates the most” but I don’t know if I’d call that transphobic? It’s not like Goku identifies as female. The joke was Goku is too stupid to ...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:58 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

I also just remembered the transphobia in the Oolong chapters, the episode where Trunks pretends to be a woman and then again in GT #51. Talk about hating women. 😬
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:30 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

I understand that point 100%, it is good when fans want something to improve especially when it is something that fans like. I am confused with Movie #20, what movie is that one? The 2018 film. I really liked Cheelai and want to see her character and role expanded upon. If the women were forced in ...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:55 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

Misogyny is a heavy word that gets thrown around way to freely these days.. It literally means to "dislike or even hate women" which I dont see AT ALL in the series about fighting yet arguably the 2nd or 3rd most important character in the series is a beautiful, high class woman, who gets constant ...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:51 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

Huh? while I personally don't think there's anything wrong with Capitalism, Why push such a negative narrative on a series you claim to love so much? Because I want to see the series I love improve . The Tournament of Power and Movie #20 had some really nice baby steps in this department, let's kee...
by JulieYBM
Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:21 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: GT and misogyny
Replies: 139
Views: 1404

Re: GT and misogyny

Caulifla isn't female Gokuu, though. She likes fighting but she's assertive and has a sense of superiority. Gokuu is much more mild-manner in comparison. Whatever slight differences there are overall the package there feels the same to me. 'Slight differences', such as...having completely different...