Kanzenshuu

There lies the problem. You claimed last post Broly was stronger than Beerus now you are saying it was implied. You corrected yourself. Not seeing the issue here. The implication hasn’t changed: the Broly from the movie is probably stronger than Beerus. It’s not wrong to make such a claim. I just f...

Not to mention the rude approach to any disagreement: “Wrong as usual”, “Do you know what this word means?”, “these are the facts”, “Headcanon…”. :| This doesn’t belong here, nor do we have time for that. By the way, this is what Goku said: "He's a Saiyan like me, but he's probably even stronge...

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:54 pm I'd say he was a "controlled berserk". This name might seem odd, but the mass increase we saw only happens when he goes SSJFP.

Gohan was the “controlled berserker”. Broly was more like Gohan when he is not in that “controlled berserker” level.

Now Broly has controlled his power making him stronger but still definitely below Freeza. Who in turn is below Lord Beerus who has always been above Broly. These are just canon facts. This is not accurate. Broly is now able to use the Super Saiyan form, but it is noted by Beerus he can’t control hi...

Chapter 103 Broly compared to Broly (vs Blue Gogeta).....which one is supposed to be stronger? I was under the impression that Broly didn't access his "Beserk" level of strength vs Gohan, therefor he is still way stronger than what chapter 103 showed......or am I wrong? Agreed. That’s pre...

Chapter 103 Broly compared to Broly (vs Blue Gogeta).....which one is supposed to be stronger? I was under the impression that Broly didn't access his "Beserk" level of strength vs Gohan, therefor he is still way stronger than what chapter 103 showed......or am I wrong? Agreed. That’s pre...

I disagree about Gohan being ahead of Goku mostly because, while Gohan has been practicing with his new form, Goku has a much better control over Ultra Instinct. So, the thrust of the chapter for me is that Gohan has more power and speed, but Goku has more experience and control over his skills, whi...

But I've also come to doubt how i viewed Broly at his max in the broly arc. If whis is correct in that broly has had "some growth" until now, then how strong was Broly in the manga at his peak against SSB Gogeta? I had him at the bottom of the barrel of Hakaishin strength, on par with UI ...

Anyway I don't think it even needs to be mentioned that Gohan is rusty since he's at his weakest a while after, but the boys should be as strong as aways. The manga just confirmed they're very into training. The only thing that ever suggests the boys are rusty is the Yo! Son Goku OVA. Even the mang...

Toriyama’s comment is only concerned about who is the character he finds the most cool. The “strongest” part of the line is a editor’s note with inner thoughts about Toriyama’s answer to the question. He does that in other instances, like with Kame Sen’nin.

We don't even see ss3 gotenks and gohans fight with beerus in the manga. In the anime and movie, which I don't care about, they've already slacked, gohans on his way down to his rof power and don't seem to be ultimate, and are not using ss3. Actually, there is nothing in the movie, nor in its anime...

Most of Boo arc has similar dynamic, when characters assume someone is impressive and it turning up differently, even the most reliable ones like Piccolo, Vegeta etc. Same way in the opposite. This is usually overlooked when people crop panels instead of reading the content in its whole. Interestin...

Based purely on what chapter #103 conveys, Goku and Gohan are pretty much rivals when they fight at full strength, being advertised as the strongest vs. strongest, so it’s not really surprising their match ended undecided. Having said that, Gohan fought Broly and Vegeta after consuming some stamina,...

The mini-guide in question only establishes where there is a branch in the Saiyan evolution line without particularly suggesting a powerscalling comparison between them.

Toriyama never said a form so that makes it a general power statement which means it's Goku at his max. It doesn't make sense otherwise. I’m not suggesting otherwise… It’s only that it obviously doesn’t carry on forever, since ranks are always changing. By the way, Goku being interested in fighting...

Toriyama didn’t exactly frame which version and from which story arc he thinks Orange Piccolo rivals Goku. He just speaks broadly about Goku and co . For context, this information came in June 2022 , same month that chapter #85 was released, when Goku figured out UI Sign was the best form when his h...

Well, considering how his fight against Gohan played out, I think it’s unlikely that Piccolo would rival Goku anyway. This only reinforces that Toriyama was talking about a version of Goku from the past. His best showing before fighting Gohan was against Gas, and right before the Super Hero chapter...

That would depend on which version of Goku that Toriyama was talking about. Probably not the Goku that we saw on chapters #102 and #103. Maybe the UI Sign version from his fight against Gas? That doesn't work. If Piccolo is as strong as UI Sign then he really doesn't rival Goku. Well, considering h...

ZombieVito wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:08 pm If Piccolo is as strong as UI Sign or Evolution then he doesn't rival Goku like Toriyama said.

That would depend on which version of Goku that Toriyama was talking about. Probably not the Goku that we saw on chapters #102 and #103. Maybe the UI Sign version from his fight against Gas?

I don’t think that was intended though. It’s just Goku forgetting who is Pan, as he had to be reminded (:facepalm:). I can understand the reason behind it, since Goku has that character, I only wouldn’t imagine to such extent, granted he fixes that afterwards, and I had a feeling Toriyama was respon...