I read the chapter getting what I was expecting and generally enjoyed the fighty-fighty punch-punch.
And y'all are melodramatic as hell lmao
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It's a kids series....written for a largely video game magazine. It's about characters named after vegetables punching one another while taking on transformations that give them different colour hair.TKA wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 2:50 pmWhat a dumb argument and a pointless thing to post. This adds nothing to the discussion and is needlessly dismissive.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 1:25 pm A lot of complaining from people who will continue to read and discuss the manga for years to come lol.
People post critiques because they care about the story and would like to see the story fix these supposed failures. That’s how artistic analysis works.
The Lord of the Rings is also children's literature. If we can discuss that seriously, why can't we discuss Dragon Ball? Academic papers have been written on Dragon Ball before. Anything can be dissected and analysed.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 3:32 pmIt's a kids series....written for a largely video game magazine. It's about characters named after vegetables punching one another while taking on transformations that give them different colour hair.TKA wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 2:50 pmWhat a dumb argument and a pointless thing to post. This adds nothing to the discussion and is needlessly dismissive.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 1:25 pm A lot of complaining from people who will continue to read and discuss the manga for years to come lol.
People post critiques because they care about the story and would like to see the story fix these supposed failures. That’s how artistic analysis works.
You take it that seriously as literature that you'd think people were discussing Lord of the Rings or something.
Would you see grown adults discussing the story failing of Dora the Explorer?
Just enjoy it for what it is. It's just light entertainment. It ain't trying to be anything more than that.
I knew this was gonna happen after the Moro arc, having a calm and collected Goku was too much to ask for. I definitely don't like how expressive he was either, it doesn't feel any different from any other form now.
I hard disagree with this. The differences between UE and UI were made clear in this chapter, from the transformation scene (furious / expressive Vegeta and calm / tranquil Goku) to the battle, with Vegeta always being the one to jump and head wildly into the battle against Gas while goku always kept himself collected and calm. And UI Goku was never completely emotionless anyway.PurestEvil wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 1:21 pmThis was also a major factor for my disappointment. Like, I remember the Moro arc's final battle had Goku make a few expressions in UI, but this is way too much.
Dang it Toyotarou, dang it...
The arc just seems like it's spinning off DBS: Broly, or at least this Nagamine interview answer: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations ... interview/kemuri07 wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 1:39 pmIt only makes sense if you considered that this series went out of its way to soften the Saiyans. Considering the fact that DBZ described them as ruthless, genocidal, capitalist, burning everything they came across, the idea that Vegeta's personal dilemma gets resolved with "I gotta have Saiyan pride" is....yeah.Others already gave an apt analysis of the homily Monaito gave about the nature of one's pride in their species. How does he think Vegeta got to where he was today or what motivated him to devise the strategy against Buu that enabled humanity to be resurrected? His actions there weren't brought on by just some epiphany of the affection he has for his newfound family but also a desire to repent for the lives he took, both directly and indirectly in allowing Buu to be released. The Saiyans were an inherently barbaric group whose sole aim was to fight and pillage for their personal benefit; for the character pair to accept such base sentiments would run counter intuitively to lives they've made for themselves on Earth. Not to say that Saiyans are incapable of being good people it's just that they seemed to be the outlier instead of the norm. Also, about the pursuance of vengeance not being what defines pride what's assessment of Vegeta's tearful plea to Goku on Namek that Freeza must be defeated by a Saiyan? Monaito obviously wouldn't know of these past events but what's been established prior during the original Dragon Ball's run seems to contradict or at least complicate the lessons being imparted now.
I think there's a stronger, smarter version of this arc in which a troubled Vegeta manages to accept the flaws of his heritage, and come out stronger for that could have made this work. But this arc doesn't devote enough time to it, so its just resolved with Vegeta basically shouting out his character arc.
Agreed on UI Goku being fine this chapter, and p much the more traditional fighting/expressions is just a consequence of Gas being (written) as strong & fast if not stronger/faster than UI Goku (akin to Jiren going toe-to-toe and forcing him out of the state in the ToP or Moro getting UI & his fight with UI Goku basically boiling down into a regular battle between 2 guys) and UI Goku did make emotional faces at least before esp since his 2nd fight with Angel Moro or vs the clone Granolah once he got swerved.TheSaiyanGod wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 5:46 pmI hard disagree with this. The differences between UE and UI were made clear in this chapter, from the transformation scene (furious / expressive Vegeta and calm / tranquil Goku) to the battle, with Vegeta always being the one to jump and head wildly into the battle against Gas while goku always kept himself collected and calm. And UI Goku was never completely emotionless anyway.PurestEvil wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 1:21 pmThis was also a major factor for my disappointment. Like, I remember the Moro arc's final battle had Goku make a few expressions in UI, but this is way too much.
Dang it Toyotarou, dang it...
But I mean, when he's not in a superior position styling on the opponent with minimal effort, naturally he's going to look more expressive because he's going to need to actually put some effort into the fight. But in that sense there's not much to be done, unless situations are created for him to be defeated quickly without making too much effort (like Granolah finding his weak spot after the UI accuracy drops). Here he is being straight up overpowered. But you can't always create situations like this, otherwise Goku would be invincible. Anyway, I don't feel like the UI concepts were betrayed in this chapter.
Lord of the Rings is literally a child's bedtime story, let's not pretend its some high watermark of literature.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 3:32 pm You take it that seriously as literature that you'd think people were discussing Lord of the Rings or something.
Pretty much what I thought about this chapter, I was expecting something more interesting or with a little oomph. Although it looks like Vegeta's ability to get stronger from damage might be the path to victory; however, since it's Vegeta he possibly will get sidelined next chapter or the one after.GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 5:50 pm Rather plain, but I like it. The only leak I saw was a panel of UI Goku and UE Vegeta standing side by side, and it’s the whole plot of the issue. I say this every other month, but we’re definitely heading to end the saga within the next couple months now. Gas still has the upperhand, but it’s not gonna last. The only dangling plot thread is Granolah’s fate. Will he get up in time to help Goku and Vegeta? I’d love to see them fighting together. Would be the manga’s equivalent of the Goku/Freeza/17 team up for me. And if so, will he sacrifice himself to beat Gas? He’s only got a couple years left anyway, so they might as well kill him off now.
The Hobbit was the children's book. Lord of the Rings was not.capsulecorp wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 6:16 pmLord of the Rings is literally a child's bedtime story, let's not pretend its some high watermark of literature.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 3:32 pm You take it that seriously as literature that you'd think people were discussing Lord of the Rings or something.