Lets hope that Goten and Trunks are involved in the new chapter

[super michael]

So far the only thing Goten and Trunks has done is battle Cell Jr in 2 panel of a chapter and nothing else, I really hope we get to see them do something in the new chapter. I really do hope that we get to see Goten and Trunks train and fight against the new evil that will come.

I hope there won't be anything silly like keeping secrets from them like in Moro chapter and them not noticing any battle going on around the world, even though around the world the opponent powers are greater than Freeza. I hope there won't be anything silly like asking Mr Satan to battle but not call them instead to help out.

The fact that Goten and Trunks were pissed off at Gohan for keeping the invasion a secret and sending them to Monster Island to avoid battle is a good sign. I still wonder how they would react if they find out about RoF, ToP and Broly being kept a secret from them. Imagine if they find out how Freeza got revived.

Lets hope they grow, since they are age 13/14, yet looks the same like their 7/8 self.

[TobyS]

I guess I hope they grow up just because of the timeline but I don't care about them being involved I'd rather see Ten and Yamcha et al.

I actually think it makes sense, most people who suffer war and conflict want their kids to have better peaceful lives than they had if at all possible.

If Trunks and Goten seriously trained and then asked to be involved they would probably let them. But they have to give them something to go on.

They need to show they've matured and/or powered up, and they haven't made the effort to do so.

[super michael]

In the Buu Saga we are told they like to train and fight even for fun and nothing in DBS manga implies that they no longer train and fight. Seeing that they could handle 7 Cell Jrs vs 2 that shows their power has grown.

Seeing that they saw Caulifla and Kale grow so much in the ToP who are both teenagers and Vegeta made Cabba his student, I don't see why Goten and Trunks can't be taught and trained also.

I would rather see Goten and Trunks being trained by experts and fight rather than seeing the humans like Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Master Roshi and Chaiotzu fight. Those humans retired from fighting and training, well except for Tien. Master Roshi retired in the 23rd Martial Art Tournament and all the other humans retired after the Cell Games.

I would rather see Goten and Trunks fight before seeing Mr Satan being ordered to fight.

Gohan grew up in constant fighting, but he turned out 100% fine. Although Future Gohan who didn't train with Goku and Piccolo (fused with Nail) he met an early end. I can't remember if we saw Future Goten die in the manga.

[Grimlock]

I can't remember if we saw Future Goten die in the manga.

No, in fact he grew up into a fine man.

[super michael]

I can't remember if we saw Future Goten die in the manga.

No, in fact he grew up into a fine man.

The image isn't working, but just incase I wasn't clear what I meant by Future Goten I mean this Goten which we saw in the anime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjyiFSSG94U
It is when Zamasu travels to the future by 1 year and makes a wish on the Super Dragon Ball to take Goku body, with Goku body he kills Goku, Chi Chi and Goten. I can't remember if that is in the manga.

@Grimlock that is cool I just noticed when I refresh the page your avatar image changes. I see that you have 3 different avatar images.
I didn't know that was possible.

[Xeogran]

If Trunks and Goten seriously trained and then asked to be involved they would probably let them.

They were mad during the post-Moro celebration that nobody told them of the threat and let them into the action. So if anything this arc should finally give them something otherwise that'd be just pointless teasing.

[super michael]

If Trunks and Goten seriously trained and then asked to be involved they would probably let them.

They were mad during the post-Moro celebration that nobody told them of the threat and let them into the action. So if anything this arc should finally give them something otherwise that'd be just pointless teasing.

Imagine if they find out about the ToP being a kept a secrets and Broly being kept a secret. Imagine if they find out the whole RoF being kept a secret from them. That could lead to some development there.

In RoF they kept it a secret from Goten and Trunks because the adults worry that they would do something childish, however they don't have a problem with Bulma or anyone else acting childish. Bulma acted really immature towards Freeza.

[Xeogran]

Imagine if they find out the whole RoF being kept a secret from them. That could lead to some development there.

Took me by surprise because I remembered they were there in the anime
Sadly they were written in the "fusion-or-nothing" cowardly way.

[Big Boss]

I stopped caring about their characters when Toei decided to age them down and make them look younger than their Buu arc selves. I don't know if that was a conscious decision or just a consequence of the newer art-style, but either way, it completely killed any hope I had in seeing any kind of meaningful development for their characters. In my mind, they exist solely as background/filler gags when Toei have nothing else to focus on, which is honestly a damn shame.

[super michael]

Imagine if they find out the whole RoF being kept a secret from them. That could lead to some development there.

Took me by surprise because I remembered they were there in the anime
Sadly they were written in the "fusion-or-nothing" cowardly way.

In the movie Goten and Trunks didn't show up at all, they only show up in the anime episode. They were not cowards in the anime, they were forbidden from fighting and even staying. Vegeta send them away, but Bulma was allowed to stay.

I stopped caring about their characters when Toei decided to age them down and make them look younger than their Buu arc selves. I don't know if that was a conscious decision or just a consequence of the newer art-style, but either way, it completely killed any hope I had in seeing any kind of meaningful development for their characters. In my mind, they exist solely as background/filler gags when Toei have nothing else to focus on, which is honestly a damn shame.

That is what made me hate DBS anime, Toei only made Goten and Trunks show up just to be told no, being forbidden or keeping secrets. That is a huge contradiction to EOZ, which they became lazy due to there being no danger. We saw DBS anime countless times they want to help out in battle and train but they are refused.

Gohan and the humans didn't fight in EOZ, but they had no problem making them fight in DBS. Buu was stated to not be allowed to fight in EOZ, but they made him fight in DBS.

[Xeogran]

In the movie Goten and Trunks didn't show up at all, they only show up in the anime episode. They were not cowards in the anime, they were forbidden from fighting and even staying. Vegeta send them away, but Bulma was allowed to stay.

I mean when Gotenks came to face Frieza, but defused shortly afterwards then Goten & Trunks just spent rest of the time hiding

[TobyS]

Did MANGA EoZ explicitly state they got soft because of peace?

The whole point is, and this is why the fandom gets mad at Gohan, you are supposed to train during peace time for when it's not peaceful later.

If they aren't training or showing maturity they have no reason to feel mad about being left out of things wether they knew it was happening or not.

They are already working and dating and half assing their training at EoZ and they are catching up to those gaps.

We already know Toei doesn't want to do anything with them because in GT they did little. If Toriyama or Toyo don't want them they are totally fucked and the fanbase needs to accept it.

[Grimlock]

The image isn't working,

The fun is gone, then. Let me go home now.

@Grimlock that is cool I just noticed when I refresh the page your avatar image changes. I see that you have 3 different avatar images.
I didn't know that was possible.

Darling, you have no idea what's possible. Sorry, I had to make that reference! XD

Anyway, yeah. I periodically (or more than often) keep rotating three avatars at a time. Be sure to check them out once in a while by refreshing your page.

Did MANGA EoZ explicitly state they got soft because of peace?

Not only didn't the manga state that, it also didn't state anything about the timeskip being a "peaceful era".

[super michael]

Did MANGA EoZ explicitly state they got soft because of peace?

The whole point is, and this is why the fandom gets mad at Gohan, you are supposed to train during peace time for when it's not peaceful later.

If they aren't training or showing maturity they have no reason to feel mad about being left out of things wether they knew it was happening or not.

They are already working and dating and half assing their training at EoZ and they are catching up to those gaps.

We already know Toei doesn't want to do anything with them because in GT they did little. If Toriyama or Toyo don't want them they are totally fucked and the fanbase needs to accept it.

Gohan didn't join in the 28th Martial Art Tournament and there was no indication that Gohan battles anymore. As for Goten and Trunks I checked the scan and I don't see anything mentioned about peace time at all, maybe I am remembering the anime.
However Goku and Vegeta says Goten and Trunks got lazy and were slacking. However in DBS we see that isn't true, especially when it comes to the anime:

https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... ers-723949
at 17:00 Trunks wants to enter U6 vs U7, but Vegeta forbid him from entering. Forbidden from training with Vegeta.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... nds-723763
Goku wants to spar with anyone at 4:10 Gohan suggest for Goten to spar with Goku, but Chi Chi wanted to murder Gohan for even saying that idea.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... ent-727863
At 7:45 Goten wants to go to Whis planet with Goku and guess what forbidden by the Chi Chiinator. When Goku and Goten sneak out of the house, Chi Chi alerts Bulma to stop Goten from leaving. In the same episode Trunks says if Goten goes to Whis planet, then he only have the Pilaf Gang to train meaning he has no one to train with except Goten.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... ten-733113
At 4:22 Goten and Trunks ask Vegeta if they could train with Vegeta, since Vegeta is going to train and guess what forbidden.

Goku had to beg, he literally had to beg for Krillin to get out of retirement from fighting and begging him to join the ToP, while Goten and Trunks who would join in a heart beat they were kept secret and forbidden. That is a huge contradiction to Goten and Trunks being lazy in EOZ.
Lets not forget Buu, he let the Z fighters down in BoG, RoF and U6 vs U7 but somehow he gets infinity chances.

The fact that Goten and Trunks were pissed off at Gohan for keeping the Moro Invasion a secrets, shows that they wanted to be involved also. This shows that they are not lazy.

Toei was just teasing and teasing over and over, which got so annoying. We fans want to see them in action, not for them to be forbidden. I prefer the manga were there is no teasing and we actually see a panel of Goten and Trunks fighting 7 Cell Jrs, that is way better than anything DBS has shown from them.

There is a reason why DBS anime is the only anime that does the whole forbidden writing, because that writing is garbage. Good thing in DBZ they didn't do that or any other anime for that matter.

DBS = Goten and Trunks forbidden to train, even when motivated and interested in doing so.
EOZ = Goten and Trunks are forced to join and train, even though they lost their motivation from doing so.

This is why I am not a fan of DBS. Other fighters does stupid mistakes and acts more immature but they are not forbidden, but somehow only Goten and Trunks are forbidden 100%.

[TobyS]

Did MANGA EoZ explicitly state they got soft because of peace?

The whole point is, and this is why the fandom gets mad at Gohan, you are supposed to train during peace time for when it's not peaceful later.

If they aren't training or showing maturity they have no reason to feel mad about being left out of things wether they knew it was happening or not.

They are already working and dating and half assing their training at EoZ and they are catching up to those gaps.

We already know Toei doesn't want to do anything with them because in GT they did little. If Toriyama or Toyo don't want them they are totally fucked and the fanbase needs to accept it.

Gohan didn't join in the 28th Martial Art Tournament and there was no indication that Gohan battles anymore. As for Goten and Trunks I checked the scan and I don't see anything mentioned about peace time at all, maybe I am remembering the anime.
However Goku and Vegeta says Goten and Trunks got lazy and were slacking. However in DBS we see that isn't true, especially when it comes to the anime:

https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... ers-723949
at 17:00 Trunks wants to enter U6 vs U7, but Vegeta forbid him from entering. Forbidden from training with Vegeta.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... nds-723763
Goku wants to spar with anyone at 4:10 Gohan suggest for Goten to spar with Goku, but Chi Chi wanted to murder Gohan for even saying that idea.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... ent-727863
At 7:45 Goten wants to go to Whis planet with Goku and guess what forbidden by the Chi Chiinator. When Goku and Goten sneak out of the house, Chi Chi alerts Bulma to stop Goten from leaving. In the same episode Trunks says if Goten goes to Whis planet, then he only have the Pilaf Gang to train meaning he has no one to train with except Goten.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... ten-733113
At 4:22 Goten and Trunks ask Vegeta if they could train with Vegeta, since Vegeta is going to train and guess what forbidden.

Goku had to beg, he literally had to beg for Krillin to get out of retirement from fighting and begging him to join the ToP, while Goten and Trunks who would join in a heart beat they were kept secret and forbidden. That is a huge contradiction to Goten and Trunks being lazy in EOZ.
Lets not forget Buu, he let the Z fighters down in BoG, RoF and U6 vs U7 but somehow he gets infinity chances.

The fact that Goten and Trunks were pissed off at Gohan for keeping the Moro Invasion a secrets, shows that they wanted to be involved also. This shows that they are not lazy.

Toei was just teasing and teasing over and over, which got so annoying. We fans want to see them in action, not for them to be forbidden. I prefer the manga were there is no teasing and we actually see a panel of Goten and Trunks fighting 7 Cell Jrs, that is way better than anything DBS has shown from them.

There is a reason why DBS anime is the only anime that does the whole forbidden writing, because that writing is garbage. Good thing in DBZ they didn't do that or any other anime for that matter.

DBS = Goten and Trunks forbidden to train, even when motivated and interested in doing so.
EOZ = Goten and Trunks are forced to join and train, even though they lost their motivation from doing so.

More dragon team people than not didn't enter the final tourney.

All those instances of Goten and Trunks and Chichi are Anime only.

The manga shows they didn't want to be left out, or perhaps only annoyed at not being told. But they didn't show they were willing to put in the mental and physical work.

They wanted to show up weak and irresponsible and endanger everyone. No one wants them there if they will be a liability.

They have no leg to stand on.

Buu gets more chances because he's stronger than either kid individually by a long way and has extra special powers and abilities. He only let them down in BoG and even then he's kinda retarded and can't sense god ki and didn't realise antagonising Beerus would end so poorly. All the other times with him are not his fault. His little hibernations are part of his biology.

[super michael]

More dragon team people than not didn't enter the final tourney.

All those instances of Goten and Trunks and Chichi are Anime only.

The manga shows they didn't want to be left out, or perhaps only annoyed at not being told. But they didn't show they were willing to put in the mental and physical work.

They wanted to show up weak and irresponsible and endanger everyone. No one wants them there if they will be a liability.

They have no leg to stand on.

Buu gets more chances because he's stronger than either kid individually by a long way and has extra special powers and abilities. He only let them down in BoG and even then he's kinda retarded and can't sense god ki and didn't realise antagonising Beerus would end so poorly. All the other times with him are not his fault. His little hibernations are part of his biology.

The adults knew about the invasion since two months, that is why they trained hard. If they didn't know about the invasion then they wouldn't train hard, except Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo who trains all the time. Goten and Trunks were not told of the invasion, so they wouldn't feel the need to train like their life depends on it.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_eqEIi_uo2M/ ... 00/034.jpg
Here is the link Bulma order Mr Satan to fight. Mr Satan actually tries to fight.

Since when is Chiaotzu more skillful and powerful than Goten and Trunks? What about Mr Satan? Since when is Mr Satan more reliable and trustworthy than Goten and Trunks? Bulma literally orders Mr Satan to fight these powerful alien, instead of calling Trunks to help her.

There is literally the ROSAT and we know Goten and Trunks can use the ROSAT without any problem. They had 2 months, that means they had many decades to train but they kept the whole invasion a secret. Don't forget Goten and Trunks had no problem fighting 7 Cell Jrs, which they were out numbered.

Exactly the examples I showed was anime only, that was Toei trying to annoy the Goten and Trunks fans.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D3iAInt3q_E/ ... 00/001.jpg
Here we see Trunks train with the Pilaf Gang. Trunks does want to get stronger.

Despite all the experience and skill Krillin and Tien had, they got 1 hit ring out in the manga. They were 100% useless but they were allowed to train and know about the invasion.

[Jiren The Alpha]

When they get screentime people are gonna complain like usual, just like they did with the universe 6 saiyans, the humans and android 17 in the TOP(anime).

[super michael]

When they get screentime people are gonna complain like usual, just like they did with the universe 6 saiyans, the humans and android 17 in the TOP(anime).

That is the problem everyone has shined, even Mr Satan of all characters got to shine. But somehow only Goten and Trunks doesn't shine at all.

They view Mr Satan >>>> Goten and Trunks.

They rather have the humans fight and shine, but not Goten and Trunks at all.