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FUNimation VS. FUNimation: Dead Zone.
Now that you've scrolled back up because you were so distracted by the pretty pictures - hello! So, what the heck is FUNimation VS. FUNimation? Well, I was thinking of starting this on-going Tanooki series (I really didn't know what to call my other on-going...things) where I would take either one specific feature or arc and talk about all the releases that one particular feature or arc has had and how each is different. So for this first (possibly just a test run) I chose the many DVD releases of DragonBall Z movie #1, Dead Zone. So, let's start!
A Brief Introduction to Each DVD
The first time FUNimation released the Dead Zone on DVD was back in December of 1997. This wasn't part of any particular DVD line as it was the first time this was being released and usually a DVD line is given to later releases. It contains the Ocean Group voice cast and uses the original Japanese BGM. This is something that, at the time, was only done for the movies. It should be noted that this release also contained Hanna-Barbera sound effects added to the audio…for no apparent reason.
As you can see above, the cover art for this release uses a slightly edited version of the original movie poster. It also uses what I call the 1997 DragonBall Z logo. Instead of having the word "Dragon" in yellow and the word "Ball" in red like it is originally, it combines the two colors throughout the whole logo.
The second release by FUNimation of Dead Zone came in May of 2005.This version has the FUNimation in-house cast that had replaced the original Ocean cast back 1999 and have been the default English voice cast until 2010 when DragonBall Z Kai was dubbed. This was released under the "Ultimate Uncut" line of DVD's. It was a short-lived line that covered FUNimation’s in-house dub of episode #1-67, effectively sweeping FUNimation’s first dub of those episodes with the Ocean Group cast under the rug. The first three films were also redubbed. Before the season sets were release these first three films and sixty-seven episodes were only available with an English dub containing background music by Nathan Johnson.
The cover art used screen shots from the movie (as seen above) and the logo which reflects the style used for the "Ultimate Uncut" line.
The third release came a few years later in 2008. This was released under the "Double Feature" line of DVD's. It kept the dub from the previous release, but this time you had the option to have the original BGM play in the dub track. Also, despite being released widescreen in Japan, this was the first time in the USA, Dead Zone was released in cropped widescreen. The cover art used typical promotional art of Goku and the DVD cases for this line were made out of tin.
Menus and Extras!
The 1997 release seems to throw everything it has to offer right there on the main menu. Instead of having an "extras" menu, everything is right there with everything else. Everything on the menu is pretty self-explanatory and almost everything is standard practice on many DBZ DVDs, except for two. "Other DBZ Videos" and "Deleted TV Scenes". So, I'm going to call these the extras. The "Other DBZ Videos" section showed off whatever DBZ videos were released at that time. There wasn't much to this section but at the time, when DVDs were new, this was pretty cool. You'd pick a video and it would give you a brief description of the episodes on the tapes...
And the other section, "TV Deleted Scenes" was basically episode 1 and episode 9 without the intro, recap, title screen, closing and next episode preview. Also, there are few minutes missing, more so in episode 1. But hey, this was the only time until 2005 you could view episode 1 and 9 in Japanese, subtitled in English legally. How crazy is that?!
Last thing I'll mention about the 1997 menus is that it had one of the coolest little options EVER! When you go to the "Spoken Language" menu you will notice one of the languages you can choose is Namek!
But if you choose it, sadly you will need a DVD player from Namek...
See, that's funny. That's pretty awesome. Why hasn't there been more of this fun stuff?! The only other thing worth mentioning in the way of extra's on these Dead Zone discs was the commentary track on the Ultimate Uncut edition (the second Dead Zone release). But, it also pops up later on the Double Feature version too.
It featured Chris Cason the ADR director and Chuck Huber, the voice of Garlic Jr. You can check out the first two minutes with the commentary here. Other than that, there really isn't anything else to say about the menus or extras. I will say though, I noticed the chapter select option is called something different in each version.
The Movies - Visual and Presentation Differences
I guess a good place to start with these is the transfer. It is likely to be the first thing you notice. Here is a shot taken from each DVD, shown with the subtitles. Try not to pay too much attention to the translation differences, we'll get to that.
The Pioneer DVD is showing its age next to these two. I mean, it was released in 1997 so it's to be expected. It's most obvious in tighter, smaller areas like Bulma's hair or uh... Krillin’s crotch....
But, does it always mean just because something comes out later it has to be better? Well if you're looking at these screen shots, you'll see that's not true. The Ultimate Uncut version seems to look a lot better than the Double Feature. The color alteration on the Double Feature release kills it for me. It not only gives an almost oil painting look to it, but in some scenes radically changes the color of certain things.
For example I used a color extraction tool and took the skin color of Piccolo and put it side by side by side. You can see the first and second are similar, but the third, the Double Feature, is radically different. It's almost a lime green color.
Also, as expected, the Pioneer version seems to have the most macro blocking, the Ultimate Uncut version, not so much. The Double Feature doesn’t have bad macro blocking either but the colors just kill it for me.
So, now that we know how each one looks different from each other, let's look at presentation. The Openings and Closing slightly differ in each version...
First the opening. The Pioneer version has the Japanese credits on screen and translates them on the video and not on the subtitle track. Even though the translated credits aren't a subtitle track, they're done pretty nicely and I don't mind it like this. The Ultimate Uncut version has the Japanese credits on screen, but aren't translated anywhere. I don't think I mind this way either but, it's always nice to give credit where credit is due. Then we have the black sheep of Dead Zone DVDs, the Double Feature it just doesn’t have the credits at all! I don't know why they'd feel the need to use the textless opening as the default opening. They had the credits in the past two releases, why not now?
As for the closing...
I noticed while doing this that the only version that credited the Japanese voice actors was the first release, the Pioneer version. The two other DVDs have the same credits and don't credit the Japanese voice cast. But the Ulitmate Uncut version does have another video track to view the Japanese credits. I know FUNimation did away with alternate angles a while ago but, I actually really like them. I feel it's a way to view the movie or episode without all the English alterations like title cards or closing credits. Also, between the UUC edition to the DF version, FUNimation made the font smaller and put the credits closer together.
Some minor changes to the "The End" screen. The only way to see the original version is on the UUC edition. Nothing major but, hey...
The translation presented in the dub is a little different in each version. I'm not going to get into an Ocean cast VS. FUNimation cast debate here; I'm just going to be talking about the dub scripts. The Pioneer version, besides using the Ocean cast has a dub script that is pretty close to the original Japanese script. I think, to this day, I think it's one of the best dubs DragonBall dubs out there. The second release, the Ultimate Uncut seems to use the Pioneer script for reference, there are times when the lines are the same in both dubs but then the UUC edition will replace some words here and there. I don't think there was really any reason to change a few things here and there, FUNimation probably just wanted to add their own bit of (or lack of) flair to it. Overall if you want to watch this in English, I'd say the best way is still the Pioneer version. Here is a (50 second) clip from each version comparing the two dubs. In this scene you can see the UUC edition doesn’t stray too far from the Pioneer version, but also takes some liberties.
Also, on the note of differences in the dub - the insert song "The World's Greatest Gohan" seems very, very odd the Ultimate Uncut and Double Feature versions. You see, in the Pioneer version the dub plays the insert song in Japanese with very minimal sounds coming from Gohan. The UUC version, since it replaced the original BGM, there is no song and has Gohan laughing and making noises THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SEGMENT! It actually sounds really... stupid. I know you might think I'm just bashing on the dub because it's FUNimation and bla bla bla but, if you know me from here, you know I don't usually do that…but in this case, yeah. It just sounds pretty bad. The Double Feature, even though it has the original Japanese BGM in the dub, it uses an instrumental version of "The World's Greatest Gohan". Check it out for yourself. You will be amazed when comparing these side by side, how just plain odd the UUC and DF sound.
Now, in that clip you might have noticed some extra sound effects from the Pioneer version. The Dinosaur stomping his feet sound effect was added.It seems the Pioneer version added some crazy typical cartoon sound effects to the dub track. Thankfully they aren't on the Japanese track. But you know what the real crazy part is? The added cartoon sound effects later showed up in the Japanese track of the UUC version!
Speaking of audio. The Japanese track on every release is mono, it's just the way it was done in Japan so it's really best not to tamper with that. The Pioneer version has a Stereo dub track. The UUC has English 5.1 surround sound track as well as a regular stereo track. And both of the Double Feature's English tracks (FUNimation cast with Japanese BGM or with Japanese BGM) both have 5.1 surround sound.
I think that covers the dub part of the movie. Next I want to talk about the Japanese part of the movie... well, the subtitles to be exact. In this case we have two different people translating the same movie. Rika Takahashi translated the Pioneer version and Steve Simmons translated the UUC version and his same translation is used in the DF version.
Now, I gotta say the two translations differ quite a bit. Sure in some scenes they're a little similar, but mostly they have obvious changes. Take for example the opening "Cha-La Head Cha-La" (each line is what's on the screen at one time).
Puto, pointed out while talking about this in the chat room that, she went back and changed her translation of Cha-La Head Cha-La in the other two Pioneer movie releases, but for now we're only talking about Dead Zone.
And for morbid curiosity, here is the "Zenkai Power" translations...
Now, you might think sure, they're different but they're similar. Well yeah, but that's just the opening and closing. But, during the movie there are some scenes here and there where the translation is almost totally different!
This is kind of confusing. I didn't really know who to take seriously. But I came to the conclusion that I should go with Steve Simmons. The reason for this is that he's a DragonBall fan and actually a member of this (Daizenshuu EX) forum. He knows this series and understands some characters have accents, some people have nicknames for other characters, certain prefixes are translated, and he’ll point out Japanese jokes and so on.
For example. Chi-Chi has a certain way of talking. This actually comes across in his translation. Whereas Rika Takahashi seems to just translate what Chi-Chi is saying with no regard for Chi-Chi's accent or that she's using ‘-sa’ instead of ‘-san’...
Another example. Bulma usually calls Goku "Son-kun". Rika Takahashi doesn’t translate it like that though, so this nick name is lost in translation...
I could have taken a screen shot of every screen that had subtitles and shown how they were different. But that would be insanity! So here are a few more examples. I don't know how to explain this one. Did Goku say "darn it" or was this just a liberty taken by Rika?
As for name spellings, do you prefer "Krillin" or "Kuririn"? I always see "Krillin" as more of a dub name but, I usually spell it like that when I have to type his name. I also say "Krillin" cause I have a really hard time even pronouncing "Kurirun". But, in a subtitled version I do prefer "Kuririn" because that is what the character is actually saying. You could translate it to "Krillin", sure people probably wouldn't mind. But the thing is, they aren't saying "Krillin". Same thing with "Ox King". I know his name is "Gyumao" but I always say and write "Ox King".
So, like I said before, I'd choose Simmons over Takahashi since Steve Simmons is more familiar with the DBZ series and I love his style of translating. I'm well aware of people out there who prefer Takahashi because they feel Simmons sounds to stiff. I'm sure those few people will respond and explain why they prefer her better then I could.
And with that, I think that covers just about everything.
In conclusion...
If you're looking to watch this in English: I'd go with the Pioneer version. The dub script is the closest I've seen to the original material. Sure it might look a little crappy compared to the kind of transfers we have today. But it's worth it. Older fans from the 90's will tell you they've watched some crappy VHS fan subs, this is nothing compared to that.
If you're looking to watch this in Japanese: I'd go with the Ultimate Uncut edition. It has Steve Simmons translations and as an added bonus, it has the original opening, closing and "The End" screen so it pretty much takes all the added FUNimation elements out of it. Also, the transfer isn't bad either. Probably the best until the DragonBox: The Movies are released here in the US.
Big thanks to JulieYBM (JulieYBM) for his editing skills!
A Brief Introduction to Each DVD
The first time FUNimation released the Dead Zone on DVD was back in December of 1997. This wasn't part of any particular DVD line as it was the first time this was being released and usually a DVD line is given to later releases. It contains the Ocean Group voice cast and uses the original Japanese BGM. This is something that, at the time, was only done for the movies. It should be noted that this release also contained Hanna-Barbera sound effects added to the audio…for no apparent reason.
As you can see above, the cover art for this release uses a slightly edited version of the original movie poster. It also uses what I call the 1997 DragonBall Z logo. Instead of having the word "Dragon" in yellow and the word "Ball" in red like it is originally, it combines the two colors throughout the whole logo.
The second release by FUNimation of Dead Zone came in May of 2005.This version has the FUNimation in-house cast that had replaced the original Ocean cast back 1999 and have been the default English voice cast until 2010 when DragonBall Z Kai was dubbed. This was released under the "Ultimate Uncut" line of DVD's. It was a short-lived line that covered FUNimation’s in-house dub of episode #1-67, effectively sweeping FUNimation’s first dub of those episodes with the Ocean Group cast under the rug. The first three films were also redubbed. Before the season sets were release these first three films and sixty-seven episodes were only available with an English dub containing background music by Nathan Johnson.
The cover art used screen shots from the movie (as seen above) and the logo which reflects the style used for the "Ultimate Uncut" line.
The third release came a few years later in 2008. This was released under the "Double Feature" line of DVD's. It kept the dub from the previous release, but this time you had the option to have the original BGM play in the dub track. Also, despite being released widescreen in Japan, this was the first time in the USA, Dead Zone was released in cropped widescreen. The cover art used typical promotional art of Goku and the DVD cases for this line were made out of tin.
Menus and Extras!
The 1997 release seems to throw everything it has to offer right there on the main menu. Instead of having an "extras" menu, everything is right there with everything else. Everything on the menu is pretty self-explanatory and almost everything is standard practice on many DBZ DVDs, except for two. "Other DBZ Videos" and "Deleted TV Scenes". So, I'm going to call these the extras. The "Other DBZ Videos" section showed off whatever DBZ videos were released at that time. There wasn't much to this section but at the time, when DVDs were new, this was pretty cool. You'd pick a video and it would give you a brief description of the episodes on the tapes...
And the other section, "TV Deleted Scenes" was basically episode 1 and episode 9 without the intro, recap, title screen, closing and next episode preview. Also, there are few minutes missing, more so in episode 1. But hey, this was the only time until 2005 you could view episode 1 and 9 in Japanese, subtitled in English legally. How crazy is that?!
Last thing I'll mention about the 1997 menus is that it had one of the coolest little options EVER! When you go to the "Spoken Language" menu you will notice one of the languages you can choose is Namek!
But if you choose it, sadly you will need a DVD player from Namek...
See, that's funny. That's pretty awesome. Why hasn't there been more of this fun stuff?! The only other thing worth mentioning in the way of extra's on these Dead Zone discs was the commentary track on the Ultimate Uncut edition (the second Dead Zone release). But, it also pops up later on the Double Feature version too.
It featured Chris Cason the ADR director and Chuck Huber, the voice of Garlic Jr. You can check out the first two minutes with the commentary here. Other than that, there really isn't anything else to say about the menus or extras. I will say though, I noticed the chapter select option is called something different in each version.
The Movies - Visual and Presentation Differences
I guess a good place to start with these is the transfer. It is likely to be the first thing you notice. Here is a shot taken from each DVD, shown with the subtitles. Try not to pay too much attention to the translation differences, we'll get to that.
The Pioneer DVD is showing its age next to these two. I mean, it was released in 1997 so it's to be expected. It's most obvious in tighter, smaller areas like Bulma's hair or uh... Krillin’s crotch....
But, does it always mean just because something comes out later it has to be better? Well if you're looking at these screen shots, you'll see that's not true. The Ultimate Uncut version seems to look a lot better than the Double Feature. The color alteration on the Double Feature release kills it for me. It not only gives an almost oil painting look to it, but in some scenes radically changes the color of certain things.
For example I used a color extraction tool and took the skin color of Piccolo and put it side by side by side. You can see the first and second are similar, but the third, the Double Feature, is radically different. It's almost a lime green color.
Also, as expected, the Pioneer version seems to have the most macro blocking, the Ultimate Uncut version, not so much. The Double Feature doesn’t have bad macro blocking either but the colors just kill it for me.
So, now that we know how each one looks different from each other, let's look at presentation. The Openings and Closing slightly differ in each version...
First the opening. The Pioneer version has the Japanese credits on screen and translates them on the video and not on the subtitle track. Even though the translated credits aren't a subtitle track, they're done pretty nicely and I don't mind it like this. The Ultimate Uncut version has the Japanese credits on screen, but aren't translated anywhere. I don't think I mind this way either but, it's always nice to give credit where credit is due. Then we have the black sheep of Dead Zone DVDs, the Double Feature it just doesn’t have the credits at all! I don't know why they'd feel the need to use the textless opening as the default opening. They had the credits in the past two releases, why not now?
As for the closing...
I noticed while doing this that the only version that credited the Japanese voice actors was the first release, the Pioneer version. The two other DVDs have the same credits and don't credit the Japanese voice cast. But the Ulitmate Uncut version does have another video track to view the Japanese credits. I know FUNimation did away with alternate angles a while ago but, I actually really like them. I feel it's a way to view the movie or episode without all the English alterations like title cards or closing credits. Also, between the UUC edition to the DF version, FUNimation made the font smaller and put the credits closer together.
Some minor changes to the "The End" screen. The only way to see the original version is on the UUC edition. Nothing major but, hey...
The translation presented in the dub is a little different in each version. I'm not going to get into an Ocean cast VS. FUNimation cast debate here; I'm just going to be talking about the dub scripts. The Pioneer version, besides using the Ocean cast has a dub script that is pretty close to the original Japanese script. I think, to this day, I think it's one of the best dubs DragonBall dubs out there. The second release, the Ultimate Uncut seems to use the Pioneer script for reference, there are times when the lines are the same in both dubs but then the UUC edition will replace some words here and there. I don't think there was really any reason to change a few things here and there, FUNimation probably just wanted to add their own bit of (or lack of) flair to it. Overall if you want to watch this in English, I'd say the best way is still the Pioneer version. Here is a (50 second) clip from each version comparing the two dubs. In this scene you can see the UUC edition doesn’t stray too far from the Pioneer version, but also takes some liberties.
Also, on the note of differences in the dub - the insert song "The World's Greatest Gohan" seems very, very odd the Ultimate Uncut and Double Feature versions. You see, in the Pioneer version the dub plays the insert song in Japanese with very minimal sounds coming from Gohan. The UUC version, since it replaced the original BGM, there is no song and has Gohan laughing and making noises THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SEGMENT! It actually sounds really... stupid. I know you might think I'm just bashing on the dub because it's FUNimation and bla bla bla but, if you know me from here, you know I don't usually do that…but in this case, yeah. It just sounds pretty bad. The Double Feature, even though it has the original Japanese BGM in the dub, it uses an instrumental version of "The World's Greatest Gohan". Check it out for yourself. You will be amazed when comparing these side by side, how just plain odd the UUC and DF sound.
Now, in that clip you might have noticed some extra sound effects from the Pioneer version. The Dinosaur stomping his feet sound effect was added.It seems the Pioneer version added some crazy typical cartoon sound effects to the dub track. Thankfully they aren't on the Japanese track. But you know what the real crazy part is? The added cartoon sound effects later showed up in the Japanese track of the UUC version!
Speaking of audio. The Japanese track on every release is mono, it's just the way it was done in Japan so it's really best not to tamper with that. The Pioneer version has a Stereo dub track. The UUC has English 5.1 surround sound track as well as a regular stereo track. And both of the Double Feature's English tracks (FUNimation cast with Japanese BGM or with Japanese BGM) both have 5.1 surround sound.
I think that covers the dub part of the movie. Next I want to talk about the Japanese part of the movie... well, the subtitles to be exact. In this case we have two different people translating the same movie. Rika Takahashi translated the Pioneer version and Steve Simmons translated the UUC version and his same translation is used in the DF version.
Now, I gotta say the two translations differ quite a bit. Sure in some scenes they're a little similar, but mostly they have obvious changes. Take for example the opening "Cha-La Head Cha-La" (each line is what's on the screen at one time).
Puto, pointed out while talking about this in the chat room that, she went back and changed her translation of Cha-La Head Cha-La in the other two Pioneer movie releases, but for now we're only talking about Dead Zone.
And for morbid curiosity, here is the "Zenkai Power" translations...
Now, you might think sure, they're different but they're similar. Well yeah, but that's just the opening and closing. But, during the movie there are some scenes here and there where the translation is almost totally different!
This is kind of confusing. I didn't really know who to take seriously. But I came to the conclusion that I should go with Steve Simmons. The reason for this is that he's a DragonBall fan and actually a member of this (Daizenshuu EX) forum. He knows this series and understands some characters have accents, some people have nicknames for other characters, certain prefixes are translated, and he’ll point out Japanese jokes and so on.
For example. Chi-Chi has a certain way of talking. This actually comes across in his translation. Whereas Rika Takahashi seems to just translate what Chi-Chi is saying with no regard for Chi-Chi's accent or that she's using ‘-sa’ instead of ‘-san’...
Another example. Bulma usually calls Goku "Son-kun". Rika Takahashi doesn’t translate it like that though, so this nick name is lost in translation...
I could have taken a screen shot of every screen that had subtitles and shown how they were different. But that would be insanity! So here are a few more examples. I don't know how to explain this one. Did Goku say "darn it" or was this just a liberty taken by Rika?
As for name spellings, do you prefer "Krillin" or "Kuririn"? I always see "Krillin" as more of a dub name but, I usually spell it like that when I have to type his name. I also say "Krillin" cause I have a really hard time even pronouncing "Kurirun". But, in a subtitled version I do prefer "Kuririn" because that is what the character is actually saying. You could translate it to "Krillin", sure people probably wouldn't mind. But the thing is, they aren't saying "Krillin". Same thing with "Ox King". I know his name is "Gyumao" but I always say and write "Ox King".
So, like I said before, I'd choose Simmons over Takahashi since Steve Simmons is more familiar with the DBZ series and I love his style of translating. I'm well aware of people out there who prefer Takahashi because they feel Simmons sounds to stiff. I'm sure those few people will respond and explain why they prefer her better then I could.
And with that, I think that covers just about everything.
In conclusion...
If you're looking to watch this in English: I'd go with the Pioneer version. The dub script is the closest I've seen to the original material. Sure it might look a little crappy compared to the kind of transfers we have today. But it's worth it. Older fans from the 90's will tell you they've watched some crappy VHS fan subs, this is nothing compared to that.
If you're looking to watch this in Japanese: I'd go with the Ultimate Uncut edition. It has Steve Simmons translations and as an added bonus, it has the original opening, closing and "The End" screen so it pretty much takes all the added FUNimation elements out of it. Also, the transfer isn't bad either. Probably the best until the DragonBox: The Movies are released here in the US.
Big thanks to JulieYBM (JulieYBM) for his editing skills!
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I personally thought the Double Features, colors and all, looked far better than the Ultimate Uncut release. It's also closer to the Dragon Box colors.
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Overall I prefer the Pioneer release, but the subtitles are definitely better on the Funimation release. At the time the extras were really cool on the Pioneer release. Plus, I loved the original dub for the movies.
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The colors might be similar but the Dragon Box doesn't have that oil painting look or that overwhelming color contrast. I think that's why I prefer the UUC version. But, if someone has a screen shot from the Dragon Box put it up.jjgp1112 wrote:I personally thought the Double Features, colors and all, looked far better than the Ultimate Uncut release. It's also closer to the Dragon Box colors.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I love the Pioneer version and those extras were totally the shit back then. If my house was on fire and had to pick one version of Dead Zone to save, it would be that (why am I not grabbing photo albums instead?)! But I had to compare it to other releases and it kinda hurt to come to the conclusion that it's a lot older and looks like poop now. But yea, I love it.Mosaic wrote:Overall I prefer the Pioneer release, but the subtitles are definitely better on the Funimation release. At the time the extras were really cool on the Pioneer release. Plus, I loved the original dub for the movies.
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Nice comparison! So did they get a newer master for the UUE or were they just able to clean it up better?
Also, Steve Simmons is a member?
Also, Steve Simmons is a member?
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Tanooki, I hope you continue doing these comparisons because I found this one to be quite informative. They'll also be helpful for those not knowing which release to pick up. It's a nice history lesson to see how far DB releases have come. I find learning about these things quite entertaining.
If/when you do another what do you plan to compare? Perhaps the next two DBZ movies?
If/when you do another what do you plan to compare? Perhaps the next two DBZ movies?
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned how ugly and stretched the font in the double features is compared to the other two.
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Always with the awesome threads, Tanooki .
Completely agree with you on going with the Ultimate Uncut release here. In general, I feel like whoever did the overall style for the Ultimate Uncut releases did an awesome job of keeping the overall American "badass" flair FUNi's connected with the series while still maintaining the general feel of DB as a whole... if that made any sense.
Completely agree with you on going with the Ultimate Uncut release here. In general, I feel like whoever did the overall style for the Ultimate Uncut releases did an awesome job of keeping the overall American "badass" flair FUNi's connected with the series while still maintaining the general feel of DB as a whole... if that made any sense.
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Re: FUNimation VS. FUNimation: Dead Zone.
Man, I didn't know Pioneer did box sets back in the day...oh wait.
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I remember back when boxsets used to cost ~$100.
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Wow, FUNimation already blocked it? How did they find it with just a number for a title, and it being a private video to boot? Make sure it doesn't have any Dragon Ball references in the filename either.
Also, I recently realized how the UUE DVD's looked superior. I remember how in the old thread about the first Double Feature that people posted comparison images between the UUE and the Double Feature's, and the UUE's looked like crap in the comparisons, which lead me to start getting the Double Features.
Recently, I decided to watch the old UUE DVD's and noticed how sharp they were, then I compared them to the some Double Feature shots, and noticed the UUEs were actually sharper, with minor macro-blocking! I was wondering why they looked better, when I remembered them looking worse, then I found the old Double Feature 1 thread, and noticed all of the Double Feature images were PNGs, and the UUE's were compressed JPGs...
This shot jumped out at me:
Notice how in the Double Features the shading on his cape is almost completely removed due to the over-brightening! In fact, the shading on the turban is entirely gone! I can't believe I once called this a superior release...
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I think I prefer Daimao's subtitles... But I wish he wasn't so lazy with the name suffixes. They really shouldn't be left as-is for a show like Dragon Ball. That's like leaving them as-is for One Piece or Fullmetal Alchemist. Now, a show that takes place in Japan or has Japanese people as the characters, then name suffixes are fine. But otherwise, it just seems lazy.
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Re: FUNimation VS. FUNimation: Dead Zone.
I think they're important, so you know, "Oh, they call him Karin-sama, so they must respect him!". I don't think it's lazy at all.linkdude20002001 wrote:I think I prefer Daimao's subtitles... But I wish he wasn't so lazy with the name suffixes. They really shouldn't be left as-is for a show like Dragon Ball. That's like leaving them as-is for One Piece or Fullmetal Alchemist. Now, a show that takes place in Japan or has Japanese people as the characters, then name suffixes are fine. But otherwise, it just seems lazy.
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I don't think he's lazy with them. Actually... I'm sure of it. He usually writes them all out instead of... not writing them out. That's not lazy.linkdude20002001 wrote:I think I prefer Daimao's subtitles... But I wish he wasn't so lazy with the name suffixes.
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Tanooki, you always make the most interesting threads. Please continue with these comparisons.
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But on the other hand, check out Garlic jr.'s pants. You can't see the ruffles on the UUE. That's where the singles fail. Saturation, causing shit to become too dark or too bright. Like Goku's undershirt looks black in some shots when it's really dark blue. I think a Dragon Box screenshot would be cool here, if anybody could get one.Metalwario64 wrote:Recently, I decided to watch the old UUC DVD's and noticed how sharp they were, then I compared them to the some Double Feature shots, and noticed the UUC's were actually sharper, with minor macro-blocking! I was wondering why they looked better, when I remembered them looking worse, then I found the old Double Feature 1 thread, and noticed all of the Double Feature images were PNGs, and the UUC's were compressed JPGs...
This shot jumped out at me:
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Notice how in the Double Features the shading on his cape is almost completely removed due to the over-brightening! In fact, the shading on the turban is entirely gone! I can't believe I once called this a superior release...
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I don't see any details on Garlic Jr.'s pants on the Double Feature footage that I can't see on the UUE single. What in specific are you talking about? Only real complaint I have in that shot is that Garlic Jr.'s skin is a bit too dark, but that's not really from saturation, but looks to be from the film aging. Saturation wouldn't make things darker to my knowledge, and the UUE singles look more faded than saturated anyway, whereas the Pioneer singles looks a bit saturated and the DF's look extremely saturated.nathantheguitarist wrote:But on the other hand, check out Garlic jr.'s pants. You can't see the ruffles on the UUE. That's where the singles fail. Saturation, causing shit to become too dark or too bright. Like Goku's undershirt looks black in some shots when it's really dark blue. I think a Dragon Box screenshot would be cool here, if anybody could get one.
Here's a comparison I did:
(shots taken in MPC, whereas Tanooki's were done in VLC)
Goku's undershirt looks a bit darker in the single, but I'd take that over entire levels of shading being nearly entirely wiped out, which is still the case with Piccolo's cape and turban. I even remember a shot where Kami's clothes had their shading removed due to the brightness.
Also, in the Double Feature, Goku's gi looks like it's almost a glowing red as opposed to being orange, his Nyoi-bo is way too bright, and even the darkest levels of shading on his skin look too red, while the lightest portions are nearly pure white! Also, the darker portion of the background goes from being simply a darker shade of red to outright blue, while the lighter portion is still red, and in the single it's entirely red. How does that happen?
Again, the single seems more detailed and sharp comparatively. You can especially see it in Goku's jawline and neck muscles, and also on the Double Features there appears to be, in an interesting reversal, some slight edge enhancement going on, whereas on this single there doesn't appear to be any at all.
I agree, we need a Dragon Box comparison, especially of this shot because I'm curious about the two-toned background, and if it's the result of FUNimation's tampering, or how it was intended.
Also, Tanooki, you think you can re-upload the insert song clip? It was taken down before I could see it.
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Here are the Dragon Box screenshots: