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Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 32 - DB episode 141-145

Post by Robo4900 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:25 am

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Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and everyone between and beyond, and welcome to week 32 of the first Dragon Ball rewatch of the decade.
We're doing five episodes a week, and we'll be watching every single episode of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT. All 508 episodes. Plus the TV specials and the movies.
I encourage you all to watch in Japanese with subtitles, especially if you have never done so before, but watch along in whichever way brings you the most joy.

We're getting up to the end of DB now!... Next week is not only the end of the 23rd Tenkaichi arc, but the beginning of the very short Wedding Dress arc; not anyone's favourite filler arc, but I quite like it. :)
You may notice I've started specifically noting which dub has which episode title. In the past, I just listed Funi's first, then Blue Water's. I believe in the earliest weeks I put BLT's first. But, now 7 months later, I've decided it's probably best that I specifically note where each title comes from, now that I've started porting the trivia we post here over to Reddit (they just started their own 5 episodes per week rewatch over on /r/Dragonball, so I'm posting the trivia from each of our weeks in the comments over there)... This will become useful later, as the Z episode titles sometimes changed between releases. But, I'm getting ahead of myself...

Previous thread: Week 31 (DB 136-140)
Next thread: Week 33 (DB 146-150)

Anyway, without further ado...

Episode 141 - Four Tenshinhans
Dub title: The Four Faces of Tien (Funimation) / Quadruplication (Blue Water)
Originally aired 18th of January 1989

Episode director: Osamu Kasai
Animation supervisor: Katsumi Aoshima


Tenshinhan somehow uses the Shishin no Ken to become four people! They spread to the four corners of the arena, and jointly attack Goku with energy waves!! Goku seems to be in an absolutely desperate pinch, but he says he has seen two weaknesses of the technique. Goku uses the Taiyō-Ken to hide himself with the first weakness, Tenshinhan’s overly good eyesight. He then uses lightning speed to knock the four Tenshinhans out of bounds as they wait for their eyes to recover!! It turns out that the second weakness was that by splitting into four people, Tenshinhan’s movement and power were reduced.

Anime-only/filler content: Filler where Tien fights Goku before he goes to the corners of the ring, Tien searching for Goku after firing the four beams.

Episode 142 - Which is Stronger?! God vs Demon King Piccolo
Dub title: Kami vs. Piccolo (Funimation) / Kami VS. Junior (Blue Water)
Originally aired 25th of January 1989

Episode director: Kazuhisa Takenōchi
Animation supervisor: Mitsuo Shindō


Before the second match of the semi-finals, Goku verifies that Shen is in fact God. Shen informs a concerned Goku that he has a good plan, and goes to deal with his fight. The fight between Shen and Ma Junior is a super battle that dumbfounds even Tenshinhan and the others!! After realizing that borrowing a human body has put him at a disadvantage, Shen fires a Mafūba! But Piccolo had predicted this, and he fires a Reverse-Mafūba, which draws God out from Shen and seals him within a small bottle!!

Anime-only/filler content: Pre-match Dragon Ball Gang chatter and after Shen and Piccolo first talk, a filler bout before the mind-reading scene.

Episode 143 - The Fate of the World at Stake!
Dub title: Battle for the Future (Funimation) / For The Fate Of The World (Blue Water)
Originally aired 1st of February 1989

Episode director: Mitsuo Hashimoto
Animation supervisor: Tomekichi Takeuchi


Shen finally gets up after the 10 count and receives much fanfare, but he is totally confused, having lost his memory of everything up until now. Meanwhile, Ma Junior swallows the bottle that God is sealed inside! Kame-Sen’nin and the others realize that something is amiss, and at their questioning Goku reveals that Ma Junior is Piccolo Daimaō’s doppelganger. And thus the finals begin!! After being nailed with Ma Junior’s energy bullets at the end of a terrific round of offense and defense, Goku falls to the arena, completely motionless…!!

Anime-only/filler content: The flashback to Goku defeating Daimao.

Episode 144 - Unleashed! The Ultimate Super Kamehameha
Dub title: Super Kamehameha (Funimation) / The Ultimate Kamehameha Wave! (Blue Water)
Originally aired 8th of February 1989

Episode director: Daisuke Nishio
Animation supervisor: Masayuki Uchiyama


In truth, Goku had taken no damage. The fierce battle reconvenes, and Ma Junior fires a tremendous energy wave!! But Goku flies into the air, and it goes far off into the horizon. Goku is about to counter with a gigantic Kamehameha, but he stops from firing when Kame-Sen’nin reminds him that God would also die if he were to kill Ma Junior. Ma Junior again prepares to fire an energy wave, but when Goku hears from Kuririn that they can revive God with the Dragon Balls, he fires a Kamehameha!!

Anime-only/filler content: No significant filler scenes!

Episode 145 - Demon King Piccolo’s Super Giant-Form Technique
Dub title: Junior No More (Funimation) / King Piccolo's Gigantic Technique! (Blue Water)
Originally aired 15th of February 1989

Episode director: Yoshihiro Ueda
Animation supervisor: Yukio Ebisawa


When the crowd sees Ma Junior after his clothes have been reduced to tatters by the gigantic Kamehameha, they realize that he is the doppelganger of Piccolo Daimaō, and flee as fast as they can. With that, Ma Junior turns into a giant and attacks Goku!! But Goku grabs onto Ma Junior’s fingers and sends him flying. When Goku says that he’d be in trouble were Ma Junior to become even bigger, Ma Junior grows far more gigantic!!

Anime-only/filler content: Piccolo attempting to crush Goku under his foot while he's giant.

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Interesting trivia:
  • At this period in time, the following events transpired in the manga: Gohan starts his survival training and accidentally turns into an Oozaru, Chichi learns what happened to Goku and Gohan, the rest of the Dragon Team (and Yajirobe) are summoned to God's Lookout for training, Gohan's survival training and the Dragon Team's Heavenly Training concludes, Goku arrives at Kaio's place after six months, and eventually he catches Bubbles after 40 days.
  • Goku using weighted clothes is acknowledged in-universe as the same idea as Roshi's use of weighted turtle shells. Goku's next master, Kaio, uses the same idea with ten times gravity, and gravity training is an important part of Vegeta's training on Earth and Goku's in the afterlife.
  • In total, Goku is carrying 200 pounds, or one ton, of weights. Things that weigh that much include fridges, a spinet piano, a large dog, a panda, and 36,287 pennies.
  • This is the only one of two times Goku is an adult and wears no shirt under his Turtle School gi, as well as being barefoot; the other is the very next major fight in the series, against Raditz.
  • In the anime, Goku swiping Ten's belt is reflected in continuity; you can see it disappear between cuts part-way into the bout (in the manga, you don't see below Ten's chest before the reveal).
  • Before using the Shishin "Four Bodies" move, Ten says that he isn't going to use the Kikoho, saying that Goku may be able to dodge it with his new speed. Goku was able to dodge this move in their last match, though Ten warned him to do so at that point.
  • In the manga, every drawing of Ten and his copies is unique, rather than being a duplicated drawings.
  • The Shishin is one of the moves Cell copied in the Cell Games. Piccolo and Kuririn also use it in the Saiyan arc. (Though I think this might be filler; I'm not sure)
  • It's notable that Goku is able to dodge the Shishin without the use of flight which, as revealed at the end of the arc, is something he knows how to do. In addition to using the Kamehameha with his feet to propel himself upwards against Ma-Junior, this is evidence that he was intentionally not using it to surprise Majunior in their match.
    • After being defeated, Ten says that he didn't have time to use Bukujutsu. This may be Toriyama reminding the audience that the move exists, since the last time it was referred to was in the 22nd Tournament, published about a year prior to these events.
  • Goku could also have avoided Ten's attack by jumping onto the side of the arena wall, which does not count as out of bounds.
  • In the Funimation dub, after beating Ten, the Announcer says "Goku wins the last match of the semifinals, and now goes on to face Junior in the champtionship round, where the 23rd master of martial arts will be determined!"... In fact, that was only the first round, and Ma-Junior had yet to fight Shen, so the Announcer was getting quite ahead of himself in Funi's version. The line is then repeated (though slightly shortened) in the recap for the next episode. For reference, the Japanese dialogue here is "The intense battle has ended with Son Goku beating his way past Tenshinhan, and into the finals!" The Blue Water dialogue, meanwhile, is "Goku is our first finalist, and will meet the winner of the next semifinal!"
  • Also probably should have pointed this out earlier, but Majunior's pauldrons are smaller than they'll be in later arcs.
  • Before using the Taiyo-ken, Goku apologizes for borrowing one of Ten's moves. Kuririn would do the same before using it against Dodoria on Namek.
  • After Goku uses the Taiyo-ken, the Announcer says he's glad he brought his sunglasses, which of course were what helped Goku learn a way to avoid the Taiyo-ken in the previous tournament.
  • Goku being able to tell what the Tenshinhans behind him are doing is alluded to by the filler where Goku trained with Mr. Popo to fight while blindfolded. Here, Goku sums it up as "'cuz I've trained a lot".
  • The manga never shows the four Tenshinhans merging together; one of them simply pops up over the edge of the arena after they've been knocked out of bounds.
  • When Goku first meets God, he explains that he "has his reasons" why he cannot kill Piccolo. While this arc seemingly contradicts that idea, God has learnt of the Mafuba after Master Roshi used it (one wonders why didn't even notice Mutaito using it the first time, though perhaps he simply didn't get a good enough look to learn to use it until he saw Roshi and Ten try to use it).
  • The scene where Ma-Junior and God speak to each other in a foreign language is one of the few confirmed instances of foreshadowing by Toriyama. When he introduced God at the end of the previous arc, he decided that they both were aliens, but would not reveal it until later. This scene alludes to that future reveal.
    • Outside of this scene, using the Namekian ship from Yunzabit, and talking to Porunga, Namekians don't use their native language at all.
  • It could be debated whether God using the jar counts as using an outside tool to assist his fight and whether that would disqualify him. Considering the fate of the world is at stake, I (KBABZ) doubt he'd mind being disqualified had it worked, although that would throw the final match into disarray as there'd be nobody to defeat Goku!
  • The shot of Ma-Junior having caught Shen in the spiral of the Mafuba is a direct reference to the same shot of Roshi using the move on Daimao.
  • This Tenkaichi Budokai takes place over the course of a single day, unlike the 22nd TB, which -- in the anime -- took place over several days.
  • After Goku reveals that Ma-Junior is Piccolo Daimao, Chichi realizes that the mysterious stranger who defeated him was Goku. This contradicts the anime filler where Goku bumped into Chichi on the way to the capital, meaning in the anime she should have already known it was him.
  • The opening of the Goku and Ma-Junior fight is the first time both characters call out the other for deliberately holding back.
  • Ma-Junior destroying the wall by elbowing Goku into it removes the added continuity from the Ten fight where part of the wall was destroyed fighting against Goku.
  • Ma-Junior destorying part of the distance landscape after Goku dodges it is the first time this has been done in the series; this will become a recurring trope in the series.
  • In the Funimation dub of Episode 145, several lines in the recap of Episode 144 differ from the actual episode. Notably, here Piccolo mocks Goku's loyalty to God rather than saying he must wish he was the bad guy. Kuririn also says that the Dragon Balls can bring God back to life rather than "heal his wounds", hinting that Episode 144 is using dialogue adjusted for censorship. The flashback script is more accurate to the manga.
  • After Goku uses the Super Kamehameha, we can see Ma-Juinor's exposed legs, including "pink fleshy bits" for his thigh, calf, shin and knee. This is the only time they're drawn; in later arcs, they've disappeared.
  • The beam clash between Goku and Ma-Junior, while also being similar to Goku and Vegeta's later, damages the building next to the arena, although this happens off-screen.
  • When Ma-Junior increases his size, so do his clothes. Either that's part of the technique's magic, or he and the Hulk have the same tailor.
  • The period after the spectators flee the arena is the only time it's seen with nobody watching.
  • The title page of Chapter 187 depicts Chi-Chi's hair in blue, the first time it's shown in full-colour. The anime sticks with her hair being black, of course.
  • When Ma-Junior becomes giant for the first time, he's on the opposite of the arena from Goku. However when Goku throws Ma-Junior over by his finger, he somehow lands completely in the arena without a single part of him falling outside of it for a disqualification.
Episode summaries, airdates, and titles courtesy of Kanzenshuu's episode guide. Filler breakdowns and Dragon Ball logo provided, and trivia co-written, by KBABZ.
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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 32 - DB episode 141-145 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:42 am

Everyone has their favorite Dragon Ball fight. For many it’s Goku vs Vegeta or Goku vs Freeza or Gohan vs Cell or Goku vs Majin Vegeta but man nothing tops Goku vs Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai for me. It’s just so goddamn brutal. The cream of the crop for me.


Also interesting The Blue Water episode titles are much much closer to the Japanese episode titles. In the tournament saga it was the reverse The Funi episode titles were closer westernize approximation of the Japanese titles and Blue Water went with generic western style kid show episode titles that favor alliteration and a play on words

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:18 am

I had wondered for the longest time if the conversation that Piccolo Jr. and Kami-disguised-as-Hero have with each other during their match was something Toriyama did as an early setup or hint as to the eventual reveal of their true origins, even though it would be roughly about a year or so before the Namekian people and Planet Namek itself finally showed up in the manga and yet another still before the anime reached the same point. Still though, i like when everyone is completely dumbfounded by the above and unable to make heads or tails of what just happened. It's only later in the series when working on Kami's ship in Yunzabit that Bulma is able to realize in hindsight that it really was Namekian they were speaking.

Speaking of which, in the Japanese version you can hear Kami and Piccolo actually speaking the language which is then translated for audiences while the dub has a modulated type filter applied over their voices and it really sounds weird in comparison to the original.
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MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:42 amEveryone has their favorite Dragon Ball fight but man nothing tops Goku vs Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai for me. It’s just so goddamn brutal. The cream of the crop for me.
Yet some say DB doesn't have fights as epic as Z's. :lol: It alongside Goku's fight with Vegeta and Freeza are my top 3.
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:18 amI had wondered for the longest time if the conversation that Piccolo Jr. and Kami-disguised-as-Hero have with each other during their match was something Toriyama did as an early setup or hint as to the eventual reveal of their true origins.
It was a set up, as Toriyama said he was planning Namek while writing the 23rd Tenkaichi.

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Post by Robo4900 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:31 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:42 am Also interesting The Blue Water episode titles are much much closer to the Japanese episode titles. In the tournament saga it was the reverse The Funi episode titles were closer westernize approximation of the Japanese titles and Blue Water went with generic western style kid show episode titles that favor alliteration and a play on words
To be honest, that changeover happened during the Red Ribbon arc. And at about the same time, Blue Water's corrections to the Funi scripts they were using as the basis for their dub become a lot stronger. The episode where the gang go to a theme park in West City is actually a completely new script written by BW, and basically from that point on, BW has a permanent, significant edge on Funi in terms of overall faithfulness (whereas in the Pilaf and 21st Tenkaichi arcs, it had been more a tradeoff).

All this just makes it all the more sad that A. This wasn't dubbed with the Vancouver cast (the Calgary cast do a good job, but not a great job; arguably they're not even as good as the Funi cast, though personally I find BW's significantly more watchable, but still far from ideal), and B. This dub isn't available on DVD.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:38 am

The Blue water cast just seemed like a trade off to me. I like child Krillin and Piccolo’s VAs but child Goku makes me think of Charlie Brown.

It was cool they hired a young adult to voice Goku as a teen instead of the same guy they had for Adult Goku in GT.

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Post by Robo4900 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:41 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:38 am The Blue water cast just seemed like a trade off to me. I like child Krillin and Piccolo’s VAs but child Goku makes me think of Charlie Brown.
That's fair.
TBH, I liked their kid Goku in GT, but I think she phoned in a good bit of DB (though a lot of the cast had fairly flat performances, so I think the direction is to blame there).
MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:38 am It was cool they hired a young adult to voice Goku as a teen instead of the same guy they had for Adult Goku in GT.
Yeah. He was a pretty solid casting. IMO their Tenshinhan and Piccolo Daimao were also very, very good.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:49 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:42 am Everyone has their favorite Dragon Ball fight. For many it’s Goku vs Vegeta or Goku vs Freeza or Gohan vs Cell or Goku vs Majin Vegeta but man nothing tops Goku vs Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai for me. It’s just so goddamn brutal. The cream of the crop for me.
Same, its still #1 for me. I love it.

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Post by ArmenianPepsi » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:11 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:42 am Everyone has their favorite Dragon Ball fight. For many it’s Goku vs Vegeta or Goku vs Freeza or Gohan vs Cell or Goku vs Majin Vegeta but man nothing tops Goku vs Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai for me. It’s just so goddamn brutal. The cream of the crop for me.
I'm with you there, Goku v. Piccolo in the 23rd TB is one of my top 3 fights easily. Like Goku's future fight with Vegeta it's a battle of pure attrition, where it only ends when one or both fighters are so beat to hell they can't even muster the energy to stand up anymore.
  • The title page of Chapter 187 depicts Chi-Chi's hair in blue, the first time it's shown in full-colour. The anime sticks with her hair being black, of course.
That's pretty interesting. But how "Blue" are we talking here? Like sky blue or more like Bulma's cyan? :lol:
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SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:18 am I had wondered for the longest time if the conversation that Piccolo Jr. and Kami-disguised-as-Hero have with each other during their match was something Toriyama did as an early setup or hint as to the eventual reveal of their true origins, even though it would be roughly about a year or so before the Namekian people and Planet Namek itself finally showed up in the manga and yet another still before the anime reached the same point.
Yup, I confirmed this in the Trivia. A rare piece of long-term foreshadowing by Toriyama!

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Post by MyVisionity » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:59 pm

I always enjoy the end to that Goku/Tenshinhan fight. They have a great relationship and it's a highlight of the tournament.

Roshi (about Chichi): "She's another Lunch!"
That's probably why Lunch disappears in the next arc...

Giant-sized Piccolo is a cool idea. I wonder how things would have gone if they had him fight Oozaru Goku.

SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:18 am I had wondered for the longest time if the conversation that Piccolo Jr. and Kami-disguised-as-Hero have with each other during their match was something Toriyama did as an early setup or hint as to the eventual reveal of their true origins, even though it would be roughly about a year or so before the Namekian people and Planet Namek itself finally showed up in the manga and yet another still before the anime reached the same point. Still though, i like when everyone is completely dumbfounded by the above and unable to make heads or tails of what just happened. It's only later in the series when working on Kami's ship in Yunzabit that Bulma is able to realize in hindsight that it really was Namekian they were speaking.
I suppose Toriyama really had no choice but to make them aliens once God was introduced. If there's only Piccolo then it makes sense for him to look the way he does because he's a demon. But if there's another guy who looks that way and who's *not* a demon, then that raises questions about what exactly he is.

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MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:42 am Everyone has their favorite Dragon Ball fight. For many it’s Goku vs Vegeta or Goku vs Freeza or Gohan vs Cell or Goku vs Majin Vegeta but man nothing tops Goku vs Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai for me. It’s just so goddamn brutal. The cream of the crop for me.
Preach!

I'm not a big fan of the super long and far too spoiler-ific titles that the Japanese seem to love to go with.
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MyVisionity wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:59 pm I always enjoy the end to that Goku/Tenshinhan fight. They have a great relationship and it's a highlight of the tournament.

Roshi (about Chichi): "She's another Lunch!"
That's probably why Lunch disappears in the next arc...

Giant-sized Piccolo is a cool idea. I wonder how things would have gone if they had him fight Oozaru Goku.

SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:18 am I had wondered for the longest time if the conversation that Piccolo Jr. and Kami-disguised-as-Hero have with each other during their match was something Toriyama did as an early setup or hint as to the eventual reveal of their true origins, even though it would be roughly about a year or so before the Namekian people and Planet Namek itself finally showed up in the manga and yet another still before the anime reached the same point. Still though, i like when everyone is completely dumbfounded by the above and unable to make heads or tails of what just happened. It's only later in the series when working on Kami's ship in Yunzabit that Bulma is able to realize in hindsight that it really was Namekian they were speaking.
I suppose Toriyama really had no choice but to make them aliens once God was introduced. If there's only Piccolo then it makes sense for him to look the way he does because he's a demon. But if there's another guy who looks that way and who's *not* a demon, then that raises questions about what exactly he is.
Exactly, i had that figured that this was a lead up to where he was going with the story at that point going forward. It's fairly obvious because he was already a few months into the Saiyan arc in the manga's serialization when this portion of episodes originally aired on TV and Piccolo had already been said to be an alien by that point unless i'm mistaken and it's only natural to assume that once Kami was introduced he would explain why he looks the same as Daimao, thus the backstory that they were originally one whole (with an unknown name) being who came to Earth from Planet Namek at some point many years ago where the good part became God/Kami after having expelled the evil side from him which of course became Piccolo Daimao.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:21 pm

I do suspect God and Piccolo are linked and if one dies the other dies and the dragon balls go too wasn’t something Toriyama had planned when writing the Daimao arc and is probably something he thought of when writing the 23rd Budokai

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Post by Robo4900 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm

ArmenianPepsi wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:11 pm That's pretty interesting. But how "Blue" are we talking here? Like sky blue or more like Bulma's cyan? :lol:
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Interesting how different some of the colouring is on Kanzenban vs Full Colour. Though Chichi's hair is still clearly blue in both. :)
ABED wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:04 pm I'm not a big fan of the super long and far too spoiler-ific titles that the Japanese seem to love to go with.
Agreed, big time. If I ever take someone through the series for the first time, I'll have to censor the episode titles from basically this point onwards.
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Post by ArmenianPepsi » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:21 pm

Robo4900 wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm Agreed, big time. If I ever take someone through the series for the first time, I'll have to censor the episode titles from basically this point onwards.
I know right? Imagine if you never seen the anime before, and you watch your way to episode 237 where the title is literally "For Those Whom He Loves... Vegeta Perishes!!"

Like, half of the surprise of Vegeta killing himself is ruined because now you know it's going to happen before you even see it. Could they have thought up of any less subtle of a title? :lol:
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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 32 - DB episode 141-145 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by KBABZ » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:06 pm

Robo4900 wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
ArmenianPepsi wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:11 pm That's pretty interesting. But how "Blue" are we talking here? Like sky blue or more like Bulma's cyan? :lol:
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Interesting how different some of the colouring is on Kanzenban vs Full Colour. Though Chichi's hair is still clearly blue in both. :)
Yeah there's a statue of this and I initially thought it was Launch on there with an alternate hairstyle!

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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 32 - DB episode 141-145 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by ABED » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:05 pm

ArmenianPepsi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:21 pm
Robo4900 wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm Agreed, big time. If I ever take someone through the series for the first time, I'll have to censor the episode titles from basically this point onwards.
I know right? Imagine if you never seen the anime before, and you watch your way to episode 237 where the title is literally "For Those Whom He Loves... Vegeta Perishes!!"

Like, half of the surprise of Vegeta killing himself is ruined because now you know it's going to happen before you even see it. Could they have thought up of any less subtle of a title? :lol:
Off the top of my head "For Those Whom He Loves" would be a great succinct title that's appropriate but doesn't give anything away.
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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 32 - DB episode 141-145 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by ArmenianPepsi » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:23 pm

ABED wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:05 pm
ArmenianPepsi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:21 pm
Robo4900 wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm Agreed, big time. If I ever take someone through the series for the first time, I'll have to censor the episode titles from basically this point onwards.
I know right? Imagine if you never seen the anime before, and you watch your way to episode 237 where the title is literally "For Those Whom He Loves... Vegeta Perishes!!"

Like, half of the surprise of Vegeta killing himself is ruined because now you know it's going to happen before you even see it. Could they have thought up of any less subtle of a title? :lol:
Off the top of my head "For Those Whom He Loves" would be a great succinct title that's appropriate but doesn't give anything away.
Yeah, "For Those Whom He Loves" alone is a good ambiguous, but foreboding title. Funi kind of took the same approach when giving the episode the title of "Final Atonement"
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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 32 - DB episode 141-145 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by KBABZ » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:15 pm

ArmenianPepsi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:23 pm
ABED wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:05 pm
ArmenianPepsi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:21 pm
I know right? Imagine if you never seen the anime before, and you watch your way to episode 237 where the title is literally "For Those Whom He Loves... Vegeta Perishes!!"

Like, half of the surprise of Vegeta killing himself is ruined because now you know it's going to happen before you even see it. Could they have thought up of any less subtle of a title? :lol:
Off the top of my head "For Those Whom He Loves" would be a great succinct title that's appropriate but doesn't give anything away.
Yeah, "For Those Whom He Loves" alone is a good ambiguous, but foreboding title. Funi kind of took the same approach when giving the episode the title of "Final Atonement"
Funimation's titles I generally prefer because they're much more descriptive, non-spoilery and memorable (as in, easier to remember) than the Japanese ones, which is the main reason why everyone just uses either the episode numbers (forcing everyone else to open the main site in a new tab to look up which one that was) or describes it like a Friends episode (as in, "The one where...").

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