Gohan's perceived death in Buu Saga

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Gohan's perceived death in Buu Saga

Post by dualist » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:53 am

If Bulma used the Dragonballs to wish everyone who died that day back, why did everyone think Gohan was still dead? He hadn't been wished back by the dragonballs before and Bulma didn't specifically say everyone killed by Vegeta. Does the Manga present this differently?

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Re: Gohan's perceived death in Buu Saga

Post by Herms » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:05 am

It pretty much makes no sense. My only explanation is that maybe Toriyama mistakenly thought Gohan had already died once and been revived.
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Post by hleV » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:08 am

Well, they couldn't sense him.

And was the wish to bring back everyone who died that day, or just people Vegeta killed? Was everyone aware of what Bulma exactly wished for?
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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:23 am

Didn't Yamcha make the wish?

And because fuck logic, basically.
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Post by Herms » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:28 am

hleV wrote:And was the wish to bring back everyone who died that day, or just people Vegeta killed?
Everyone who died that day except for the bad guys; that's why Kibito came back too (and not Dabra).
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:42 am

They couldn't sense him, so the only logical assumption was that he was dead. What else would you think?
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Post by rereboy » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:11 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:They couldn't sense him, so the only logical assumption was that he was dead. What else would you think?
That he had to be alive (because of the wish) but they couldn't sense him for some reason? It wouldn't take a genius to figure out some possibilities to explain this, like Gohan being knocked out and hurt somewhere.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Re: Gohan's perceived death in Buu Saga

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:54 am

rereboy wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:They couldn't sense him, so the only logical assumption was that he was dead. What else would you think?
That he had to be alive (because of the wish) but they couldn't sense him for some reason? It wouldn't take a genius to figure out some possibilities to explain this, like Gohan being knocked out and hurt somewhere.
What are the other possibilities then?

Also, didn't they learn that Gohan was dead after the wish?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Gohan's perceived death in Buu Saga

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:11 pm

One, because no one could sense him,
Two, he would've at least showed up at some point.
And wasn't the wish "Undo all the damage by Vegeta at the day of martial arts tournament?"
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Post by Marco Polo » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:48 pm

Maybe Toriyama remembered that Gohan died once but forgot that it was in Future Trunks' timeline.
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Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:56 pm

I can see why a lot of fans dislike the Buu Saga, because of the messed-up logic and the lack of brain cells in the Z-Fighters.
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Post by Saiga » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:16 pm

Videl even puts forward the idea that he's not dead, but Goku dismisses it because he can't sense Gohan's energy. Between this and their reaction to the Androids, I think the Z team have become too dependant on their ki sensing abilities over time. As a result, they've been given a sort of tunnel vision that makes them miss something obvious.
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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:17 pm

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Re: Gohan's perceived death in Buu Saga

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:43 pm

>implying they were any smarter in the Saiyan and Freeza sagas
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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:23 pm

HA, I'd be a liar if I didn't give you that one.
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Re: Gohan's perceived death in Buu Saga

Post by rereboy » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:28 pm

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:They couldn't sense him, so the only logical assumption was that he was dead. What else would you think?
That he had to be alive (because of the wish) but they couldn't sense him for some reason? It wouldn't take a genius to figure out some possibilities to explain this, like Gohan being knocked out and hurt somewhere.
What are the other possibilities then?

Also, didn't they learn that Gohan was dead after the wish?
No, Vegeta assumed that Gohan had been killed and Piccolo heard him, so he also assumed he was dead. The wish was after that. If he was really dead, then the wish would have brought him back. If he isn't back, then he didn't die. Why can't they sense him then? The most obvious answers is that he is far away or that he is hurt and unconscious somewhere.

Anyway, these conclusions aren't hard to reach at all. They should have at least wondered about it.
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Post by mAcChaos » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:42 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:One, because no one could sense him,
Two, he would've at least showed up at some point.
And wasn't the wish "Undo all the damage by Vegeta at the day of martial arts tournament?"
If that was the wish, then it would make sense that they did not think Gohan was brought back to life.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:21 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:>implying they were any smarter in the Saiyan and Freeza sagas
Well.... I did say "since the Freeza Saga".
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Re: Gohan's perceived death in Buu Saga

Post by dualist » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:02 am

But the wish to was bring back everyone except for the bad guys and they thought Gohan was dead before that and even had that scene were Chi Chi and Bulma broke down because of Vegeta's and Gohan's deaths. It jus tdidn't make any sense, they didn't even think about the fact that maybe Gohad should have been wished back with Bulma's wish. It never even comes up. Makes no sense.
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