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So what about the universes?

Post by Kishido » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:48 pm

I really hoped after BoG and Beerus statement we would go to the other universes fighting there the other "gods"... The hype was crushed with now frieza returning.

Do you still think there is hope for more about it or was it just talk?

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:18 pm

Maybe they will do something with later, but who knows for sure.
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Post by Chuquita » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:26 pm

I'm holding out hope it'll be covered in the movie after this movie. If they do one after F, that third new movie will be the 20th one; they'll have to do something really special for the 20th one. Going to some of the other universes sounds like it'd work well for that.
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Post by Herms » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:31 pm

I'm holding out hope that the other universes will still come up in RoF somehow or another, even if it's simply another mention of "hey, there's 11 other universes out there!" If not, then maybe in a third movie. Or maybe they'll just forever be left as a tantalizing hint of what else could be out there.
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Re: So what about the universes?

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:52 pm

Well nothing yet obviously. If I was going to guess, The Universes would be based on Toriyama's other properties. For example, he did a Star Wars parody one shot starting out as a mangaka; that could be a universe maybe. If I'm right, of course Dr. Slump has to be it's own universe. I think he did a Sentai parody once as well so hey a whole universe of them too maybe. And Kajika, and Sandland, And Cowa! Perhaps Dragon Quest too.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:57 pm

Guys, we aren't talking about planets or even solar systems. These are universes. What's the point of visiting them? It's no different from exploring Goku's universe. :?

If we do go that direction, I want a multiverse tournament with all the gods of destruction. A godly tournament that actually ends. That'd be awesome for a final movie or arc.
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Post by Marco Polo » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:04 pm

I'm hoping that the ending of Revival of F somehow ties into this subject and maybe ends with a cliffhanger or something. They go out of their way to call this a sequel to Battle of Gods and even include the Oracle Fish, so I find it hard to believe that they would just drop that plot point that just came out of nowhere at the end of the first film.

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Post by Dyno » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:11 pm

Herms wrote:Or maybe they'll just forever be left as a tantalizing hint of what else could be out there.
I fear that. I wouldn't want to get such an information just for catch me thinking about it all the time. I want to see this franchise growing bigger as though there wasn't an end.

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Post by dbgtFO » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:19 pm

Kishido wrote:I really hoped after BoG and Beerus statement we would go to the other universes fighting there the other "gods"... The hype was crushed with now Freeza returning.

Do you still think there is hope for more about it or was it just talk?
If Toriyama's scenario for the movie really is as good as Torishima has told him it is, then I expect RoF to end with Freeza being sent to another universe setting up a 3rd movie, where Goku and Vegeta will have to explore that universe.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:24 pm

Goku and Vegeta exploring another universe is quite literally the same as Frieza running off into his own universe and them chasing him there. The only difference would be the "other worlds" and gods of each other universe.
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Re: So what about the universes?

Post by Dayspring » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:49 pm

FoolsGil wrote:Well nothing yet obviously. If I was going to guess, The Universes would be based on Toriyama's other properties. For example, he did a Star Wars parody one shot starting out as a mangaka; that could be a universe maybe. If I'm right, of course Dr. Slump has to be it's own universe. I think he did a Sentai parody once as well so hey a whole universe of them too maybe. And Kajika, and Sandland, And Cowa! Perhaps Dragon Quest too.

All speculation of course.
Rain Jack (the Star Wars one) shares continuity with Dr. Slump. Dr. Slump shares continuity with Dragonball (there's even a crossover in the Red Ribbon saga).

However, I think the guides states Neko Majin Z is another universe, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe that's one of them, then. It could also be that the world of GT is another universe.
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Re: So what about the universes?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:35 pm

Dayspring wrote:However, I think the guides states Neko Majin Z is another universe, if I'm not mistaken.
Not exactly, it says that it takes place in a parallel world, not a different universe. Meaning that Neko Majin takes place in an alternative Universe 7.
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Re: So what about the universes?

Post by Pantalones » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:40 pm

Dr. Slump shares continuity with Dragonball
...sort of. The world Dragonball is set in and the world Dr. Slump is set in don't really match up that well; Dragonball's world uses the "Age" system for years while Dr. Slump's uses BC/AD like real-world Earth, for example. I've read they also both have a "God/Kami" character and it's not the same guy between the two (if I recall correctly, Dr. Slump's version more closely resembles Roshi? he's definitely not Namekian at the very least), even though we know Dragonball's Kami has been in his position for quite a while. And just about everything in Dragonball's Earth is more heavily shifted away from real-world Earth (to the point of having completely different landmasses, one world government with a dog guy in charge, etc.), not just their calendar system. Dr. Slump seems to be set in something more like "slightly altered gag-manga version of real-world Earth" rather than a completely different Earth with almost no resemblance to the real-life version.

Honestly, the only reason anyone thinks for a moment that the two take place on the same world is the random crossover bit in Dragonball. Nothing else seems to link the two series together aside from being written/drawn by the same guy... there's so many things that don't match up, and once the brief crossover segment ends it's like the two worlds are completely separate again.

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Post by Herms » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:56 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Guys, we aren't talking about planets or even solar systems. These are universes. What's the point of visiting them? It's no different from exploring Goku's universe. :?
It might be, if the other universes were totally different than No.7. Like, maybe one is on the back of a giant turtle, or one is a Flatland-style universe where Goku and co. become literally two-dimensional, or there's one where it's impossible to use ki, so Goku and co. have to adapt to that and fight using other means, or one where the fighters all have Jojo-style Stands or some such thing. Not sure if Toriyama would really go down any of those routes, but it would be incredibly easy to take the "other universes" idea as an opportunity to do something radically new with the series, if Toriyama or anyone else were so inclined. I mean, if the next universe over is pretty much the same as the one Goku and co. live in except there's a big 8 written on the side, then sure, don't bother with a movie exploring it. But there's no reason they'd need to do something so boring if they didn't want to.
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Re: So what about the universes?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:54 am

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fadeddreams5 wrote:Guys, we aren't talking about planets or even solar systems. These are universes. What's the point of visiting them? It's no different from exploring Goku's universe. :?
It might be, if the other universes were totally different than No.7. Like, maybe one is on the back of a giant turtle, or one is a Flatland-style universe where Goku and co. become literally two-dimensional, or there's one where it's impossible to use ki, so Goku and co. have to adapt to that and fight using other means, or one where the fighters all have Jojo-style Stands or some such thing. Not sure if Toriyama would really go down any of those routes, but it would be incredibly easy to take the "other universes" idea as an opportunity to do something radically new with the series, if Toriyama or anyone else were so inclined. I mean, if the next universe over is pretty much the same as the one Goku and co. live in except there's a big 8 written on the side, then sure, don't bother with a movie exploring it. But there's no reason they'd need to do something so boring if they didn't want to.
I was thinking about that too. But then I thought, you can just make planets or segments of the galaxy where those same sort of things apply. Well, maybe not as exaggerated as becoming completely 2D.

Nintendo went wild in Mario Galaxy games with planets. Don't see the need to explore other universes when you can just creatively expand the one you already have. =P
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Re: So what about the universes?

Post by Dayspring » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:25 pm

Pantalones wrote:
Dr. Slump shares continuity with Dragonball
...sort of. The world Dragonball is set in and the world Dr. Slump is set in don't really match up that well; Dragonball's world uses the "Age" system for years while Dr. Slump's uses BC/AD like real-world Earth, for example.

The Eastern Country in the Dragonball world uses that calendar system, reuses some of our country names, as well as currencies different from the Zeni. Wonder Island, Detective Tomato, Today's Highlight Island, Doctor Slump, Cashman, Kintoki and Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman are all set here (or, more accurately, Kintoki claims to go there after the one-shot ended, with cameos of them found there later in Jaco). The biggest reason for the differences is that much of the country consists of a bunch of small, isolated island chains.
I've read they also both have a "God/Kami" character and it's not the same guy between the two (if I recall correctly, Dr. Slump's version more closely resembles Roshi? he's definitely not Namekian at the very least), even though we know Dragonball's Kami has been in his position for quite a while. And just about everything in Dragonball's Earth is more heavily shifted away from real-world Earth (to the point of having completely different landmasses, one world government with a dog guy in charge, etc.), not just their calendar system. Dr. Slump seems to be set in something more like "slightly altered gag-manga version of real-world Earth" rather than a completely different Earth with almost no resemblance to the real-life version.
The presence of that god contradicts nothing once we find out there are numerous gods in Dragonball beyond just Kami. In fact, the type of god he is gets referenced during Kaio's explanation of what Beerus is and how Beerus pertains to the Kaioshin. This guy is a god of destruction. His name of "Kami" would imply that his rank among the gods of destruction is to Dende as Beerus is to the Kaioshin.

Honestly, the only reason anyone thinks for a moment that the two take place on the same world is the random crossover bit in Dragonball. Nothing else seems to link the two series together aside from being written/drawn by the same guy... there's so many things that don't match up, and once the brief crossover segment ends it's like the two worlds are completely separate again.
Well, for starters, them "randomly" crossing over would strongly suggest they share continuity in of itself. As for other instances, keep in mind this occurred during the Red Ribbon saga. Prior to the 22nd Budokai, Dragonball was a gag-manga just as much as the later books of Doctor Slump were. DB continued to be a gag-manga until Nappa and Vegeta arrived, just less zany. It returned to being a gag-manga on par with the pre-22nd Budokai as of the Great Saiyaman arc.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:40 pm

I think/hope the other universes will be explored in the sequel to FnF.

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Pantalones wrote:
Dr. Slump shares continuity with Dragonball
...sort of. The world Dragonball is set in and the world Dr. Slump is set in don't really match up that well; Dragonball's world uses the "Age" system for years while Dr. Slump's uses BC/AD like real-world Earth, for example. I've read they also both have a "God/Kami" character and it's not the same guy between the two (if I recall correctly, Dr. Slump's version more closely resembles Roshi? he's definitely not Namekian at the very least), even though we know Dragonball's Kami has been in his position for quite a while. And just about everything in Dragonball's Earth is more heavily shifted away from real-world Earth (to the point of having completely different landmasses, one world government with a dog guy in charge, etc.), not just their calendar system. Dr. Slump seems to be set in something more like "slightly altered gag-manga version of real-world Earth" rather than a completely different Earth with almost no resemblance to the real-life version.

Honestly, the only reason anyone thinks for a moment that the two take place on the same world is the random crossover bit in Dragonball. Nothing else seems to link the two series together aside from being written/drawn by the same guy... there's so many things that don't match up, and once the brief crossover segment ends it's like the two worlds are completely separate again.
Unless I"m mistaken, I do believe we also see that Dragon Ball exists as a fictional work in the Dr. Slump universe, so they exist in some weird state with one another. It's similar to the old Batman and Green Hornet TV series, where the Green Hornet appeared on more than one occasion in person in the Batman TV series, but Batman exists only as a TV show in the Green Hornet series.

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Post by Dayspring » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:23 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:
Pantalones wrote:
Dr. Slump shares continuity with Dragonball
...sort of. The world Dragonball is set in and the world Dr. Slump is set in don't really match up that well; Dragonball's world uses the "Age" system for years while Dr. Slump's uses BC/AD like real-world Earth, for example. I've read they also both have a "God/Kami" character and it's not the same guy between the two (if I recall correctly, Dr. Slump's version more closely resembles Roshi? he's definitely not Namekian at the very least), even though we know Dragonball's Kami has been in his position for quite a while. And just about everything in Dragonball's Earth is more heavily shifted away from real-world Earth (to the point of having completely different landmasses, one world government with a dog guy in charge, etc.), not just their calendar system. Dr. Slump seems to be set in something more like "slightly altered gag-manga version of real-world Earth" rather than a completely different Earth with almost no resemblance to the real-life version.

Honestly, the only reason anyone thinks for a moment that the two take place on the same world is the random crossover bit in Dragonball. Nothing else seems to link the two series together aside from being written/drawn by the same guy... there's so many things that don't match up, and once the brief crossover segment ends it's like the two worlds are completely separate again.
Unless I"m mistaken, I do believe we also see that Dragon Ball exists as a fictional work in the Dr. Slump universe, so they exist in some weird state with one another. It's similar to the old Batman and Green Hornet TV series, where the Green Hornet appeared on more than one occasion in person in the Batman TV series, but Batman exists only as a TV show in the Green Hornet series.
Considering when DB came out compared to Slump, I think you're mistaken. However, anime Gohan has a poster of Arale in his room, for what it's worth.

It's worth noting, though, that Dragonball exists as a fictional series in the Dragonball universe as well. Right off the bat, I can recall a character getting kicked into the ceiling of a panel and the Boo saga has Krillin calling out Toriyama for re-hashing the same few panels during Goten and Trunks' fusion attempts, with Tori-bot breaking the 4th wall in order to tell his editor to ignore Krillin's accusation.

It's not that Dragonball isn't a gag-manga, it's that it's just not as over the top as Slump is, with the gag elements having been dropped almost entirely from the battle against Nappa to the arrival of Mr Satan.

A big problem with making my arguments is that you only really see it when you've read a ton of Toriyama's works and when you marathon read the entire DB series. How serious books 19-35 got is actually rather shocking, especially since he went back to his gag-manga roots.

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Post by Sandubadear » Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:26 pm

In the Dr. Slump remake, Arale and Akane play a DBZ video game, and Arale puts the last Dragon Ball manga inside a machine, and then a black-and-white Goku and Kid Buu appear in the "real" world fighting.
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