I don't disagree - I'm not saying SSj wasn't 50x for Goku against Freeza.TobyS wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:21 am The trouble with this is the bands are necessarily small. Goku's first SS has to be more than 40x kaioken to be able to beat a Freeza that only a KKx20 could hurt when he was 50% combine that with how stompy the battle was in the manga it's gotta be a bit more than 40 50 is perfect.
What I'm saying is that, later on in the series, you have instances where going SSj doesn't appear to give a single multiplier value, because its users are able to radically vary their power in the form. If Goku powered up to half power on a form that ordinarily would give you a 50x boost, then it follows that at some point he's existing in the SSj state with a boost of less than 25x (unless you're positing something like a 100x boost for his full power in the Cell Games, which isn't supported by what's officially stated).
So, you end up with something like the idea that SSj power can have a wide range of multipliers - if it goes up to 50x, how far down can it go? I'd say 10x is a reasonable guess; it also has the advantage of vaguely aligning with something Toriyama's said.
So, yeah. 10x - 50x.