"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[precita]

Goku and Vegeta are killing the series. The fact that Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Piccolo are probably never going to do anything important again really makes me sad.

I can accept Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Android 18 being tossed to the sidelines even though I like them because I know they have no shot of ever doing anything important at this point.

[dbzfan7]

Goku and Vegeta are killing the series. The fact that Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Piccolo are probably never going to do anything important again really makes me sad.

I can accept Krillin, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Android 18 being tossed to the sidelines even though I like them because I know they have no shot of ever doing anything important at this point.

I don't think they're killing anything. It seems to me those characters times are up. I believe once we get right with those new characters who I believe were stated to be on par with Goku (Characters not shown yet), then they'll be the new characters alongside Goku & Vegeta that will be getting the focus. If anyone expects something like a Gohan vs Cell, Piccolo vs 17, Gotenks vs Boo kind of importance they'll be sorely disappointed. Nothing like that will likely ever happen again for those guys.

It kinda sucks, but this has been happening since arguably late Dragon Ball and beginning of Z. Kinda hate to admit, but doing this isn't really new to Dragon Ball.

[Araki]

Goku and Vegeta are killing the series.

How would Goku kill a series that was always supposed to be about him? I suggest you re-read the Red Ribbon and Piccolo Daimao arcs and tell me what the rest of the cast accomplished.
Then Vegeta appeared and became like the 2nd main character. I think you just don't like them enough.

I don't think they're killing anything. It seems to me those characters times are up. I believe once we get right with those new characters who I believe were stated to be on par with Goku (Characters not shown yet), then they'll be the new characters alongside Goku & Vegeta that will be getting the focus.

It kinda sucks, but this has been happening since arguably late Dragon Ball and beginning of Z. Kinda hate to admit, but doing this isn't really new to Dragon Ball.

I agree with you there. If you think about it, what Toriyama is doing with Beerus and Whis is repeating a pattern his manga always did: introducing new characters that can beat or fight evenly against Goku, then they change sides and stick around as allies, sidelining others in the process. It's the same thing Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Vegeta went through when they showed up...the story hasn't really changed much in that regard. Some characters just reach a point where they have nowhere to go anymore, not only strength but development-wise too. And those ones are left behind.

Those limited periods have more screen time than Goku had overall.

I can't agree with that. Have all the 42 volumes in mind and you can't say Goku didn't eat by far the biggest chunk of the screentime, especially the relevant one.

Only 1 time did it truly come down to Goku. Every other time it took everyone, or the 1 time someone else did the job. Unless we count the movies where Goku's ratio shoots up.

Only time it really wasn't about Goku was Cell, where he still saved Earth from blowing up and appeared behind Gohan later. He got help from Gohan and Kuririn against Vegeta, but everyone was fighting Nappa while waiting for him to save the day. They literally stopped the fight to wait! Goku defeated Freeza by himself. Buu was defeated by his Genki Dama. How can't i make a case that it was always about Goku in the end?

But you brought up the movies, and that reinforced my point. BoG and RoF are movies, so they should be compared to other movies, not the series. Of course it would come down to Goku in those, it has been pretty much always like that. The U6 arc could and should have a completely different structure and be more ambitious. Give Kuririn, for instance, screentime to collect the Dragon Balls or something. Who can't say that won't happen? Kuririn isn't out of the picture yet, there's even an upcoming episode that will have something about him.

Agreed. Outside of the holy 4, nothing suggests the meat and potatoes of Super will give anyone outside the holy 4 anything remotely close to how Z handled the cast. Only down time will they get some time which I'd call the appetizers before the real course.

By that logic, everything other characters did in Namek, for instance, should be called "appetizers before the real course". Gohan and Kuririn weren't strong enough to beat anyone other than irrelevant fodders. The gap being bigger now doesn't change that, fodder enemies will keep showing up. And even if they can do no damage against real threats, they could still buy time like they always did.

[sintzu]

Goku and Vegeta are killing the series.

They're the only reason the series is still alive.

[dbzfan7]

Those limited periods have more screen time than Goku had overall.

I can't agree with that. Have all the 42 volumes in mind and you can't say Goku didn't eat by far the biggest chunk of the screentime, especially the relevant one.

I'm going by the Z portion, the one that split the attention around far more than any other. If you're more of a fan of the earlier Dragon Ball portion, then of course anything current shouldn't be a problem. Neither should how GT did things with how they used the characters. If you're more a fan of the Z portion, then people who liked how the attention was split around are gonna be disappointed since most characters now are irrelevant.

Only time it really wasn't about Goku was Cell, where he still saved Earth from blowing up and appeared behind Gohan later. He got help from Gohan and Kuririn against Vegeta, but everyone was fighting Nappa while waiting for him to save the day. They literally stopped the fight to wait! Goku defeated Freeza by himself. Buu was defeated by his Genki Dama. How wasn't it always about Goku?

But you brought up the movies, and that reinforced my point. BoG and RoF are movies, so they should be compared to other movies, not the series. Of course it would come down to Goku in those, it has been pretty much always like that. The U6 arc could and should have a completely different structure and be more ambitious.

-Goku assisted Gohan so he played a part but a smaller role. The reverse of how it usually is.
-They couldn't have won without Goku, but Goku would have been screwed with out the others helping him beat Vegeta. After Goku saved them, they had to save Goku from Vegeta. So it wasn't all about Goku. Goku had to help Krillin and Gohan beat Vegeta after Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe were the ones who stopped Oozaru Vegeta.
-Before the final confrontation we had Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, and Piccolo fighting off Freeza. Before SSJ we had the Genki Dama and the others helping Goku succeed with his plan. Once SSJ hit it was all Goku no question.
-Goku needed Vegeta's plan, Mr. Satan's voice, and Boo's durability. It was not all about Goku as he couldn't do this himself. He needed a team effort to pull this off even more so than against Freeza. So no it wasn't always about Goku.

BOG arc played out mostly like the movie before it, not really changing the characters roles. FNF is highly unlikely to change the characters roles. If you've seen F, the arc will play out mostly the same beat for beat. I bring up the movies as a bad example as I don't think people are a fan of how repetitive they are. U6 has absolutely nothing supporting it will give any more time to anyone outside the 4 and the new characters. If you're expecting any kind of importance the older characters had in Z returning for that arc, you're gonna be disappointed.

By that logic, everything other characters did in Namek, for instance, should be called "appetizers before the real course". Gohan and Kuririn weren't strong enough to beat anyone other than irrelevant fodders....

Not at all the same thing. Gohan and Krillin were the center of the story and our heroes til Goku arrived. They had to deal with two opposing forces that could eradicate them. They were the center of the drama. The appetizers I mention are the down time moments that do not add nor mean anything in the grand scheme of things for the overall story. They're essentially filler moments. Gohan and Krillin on Namek is hardly filler. It's essential to the story. Goku farming and Vegeta going on a family trip is essentially filler as Beerus and Whis were where the real plot was.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku and Vegeta are killing the series. The fact that Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Piccolo are probably never going to do anything important again really makes me sad.

Goten and Trunks had a major role in the 2008 Jump Special. ROF all give Gohan, Krillin, Roshi, Tien, Piccolo and Jaco a role on defeating Freeza's soldiers in ROF.

[Neon Z]

This is exactly how I see things playing out. After F we'll be probably seeing those new characters alongside the 4. F will probably be the last "hurrah" before the focus shifts away from those who came before. Like how the humans in Z were slowly phased out, I see the same thing repeating for most of the cast.

I don't think those "new" characters are necessarily a new main cast. If they're going to a new universe, Toriyama needs to create a large number of characters in order to populate that universe. It doesn't mean they'll be the new main cast. Some certainly will be rivals able to fight with Goku, but others will be much weaker since an universe with just God-level people makes no sense.

With these "Super" Dragonballs, I really doubt Piccolo will just disappear, considering how they certainly will be tied to Namek lore.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Piccolo is the only sensible and level headed guy from the cast so to leave him behind would be a unreal disaster!

[Khin]

I'd like it if they give Piccolo a God like power up,Goku,Vegeta and Piccolo trio would be badass alongside Beerus and Whis.

[dbzfan7]

This is exactly how I see things playing out. After F we'll be probably seeing those new characters alongside the 4. F will probably be the last "hurrah" before the focus shifts away from those who came before. Like how the humans in Z were slowly phased out, I see the same thing repeating for most of the cast.

I don't think those "new" characters are necessarily a new main cast. If they're going to a new universe, Toriyama needs to create a large number of characters in order to populate that universe. It doesn't mean they'll be the new main cast. Some certainly will be rivals able to fight with Goku, but others will be much weaker since an universe with just God-level people makes no sense.

With these "Super" Dragonballs, I really doubt Piccolo will just disappear, considering how they certainly will be tied to Namek lore.

I see them essentially being the new main cast in the sense that Goku and Vegeta alone will be headed to the other universe. I take that opening of the two of them walking alone to a blue portal thing to symbolize only the two of them going on this journey. Some speculate it's them reaching SSGSS, and really we won't know for a while. I believe they'll be the new main cast in the sense that all character interactions will likely be Goku, Vegeta, and whoever is new. I highly doubt there's any interest in the older relics who they don't seem to have much plot use for. They have a use for down time stories, but that's about it.

I doubt he'll be brought along since he's been irrelevant since arguably late Cell and who's last useful thing was teaching fusion to the boys. I don't see Piccolo tagging along unless he somehow reaches Goku tier. Can't see Piccolo tagging along and just standing around on the sides constantly. I doubt Piccolo or anyone will join up as there's no real interest in the other characters to be utilized all the importantly. Besides if they needed a wise figure, Whis would more likely fit the bill better than Piccolo anyways. Whis is more relevant and would more likely fill the role of explaining things.

[NinjaGoku]

It might just be badly scaled, but does anyone else think this commercial is showing off an older Gotenks that we might see in DB Super?



From IC Carddass Dragon Ball - Promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7t0mJ2Gu_k

[Doctor.]

That's showcasing the BoG arc, so it's very unlikely.

[Khin]

It might just be badly scaled, but does anyone else think this commercial is showing off an older Gotenks that we might see in DB Super?



From IC Carddass Dragon Ball - Promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7t0mJ2Gu_k

Super new ED pretty much confirmed that Goten and Trunks are still little kids by ROF arc,Though,I'm not surprised because BODB Goku is around 12 years old and he looks like 6.

[NinjaGoku]

Super new ED pretty much confirmed that Goten and Trunks are still little kids by ROF arc,Though,I'm not surprised because BODB Goku is around 12 years old and he looks like 6.

Wishful thinking, still that's the tallest I've ever seen Gotenks, must be an error. Even a slight change in height would be welcome, similar to Gohan.

[Bullza]

They should keep Goku and Vegeta as the main characters. The series would never be as successful of as popular if they started changing that up and gave them a backseat to other characters or even worse new characters.

If it's not broke don't fix it.

The entire Z series has always been switching around protagonists all the time. Sometimes it's Goku, sometimes it was Gohan & Krillin, sometimes it was Vegeta, sometimes it was Piccolo. Z while being very repetitive, benched Goku or found ways to make other people to take the center stage, and the repeat the Goku comes in finally to save the day trope. If anything it's more like GT now where we skip the part where other people take precedence, and skip to the drama of everyone needing Goku. Before you could count on some other characters, but now you can only count on Goku. Not Vegeta cause he'll fuck things up somehow since he seems to find a way to always turn a winning situation into a losing battle.

I wouldn't say they switch protagonists more so it just focused on different ones at a given time. In Z the main character has always really been Goku with Gohan and Vegeta being the other two of three main characters.

Battle of Gods was like GT because it was all about Goku and the others were all fodder for Beerus. They did nothing but get stomped.

Resurrection F was better for that because it wasn't all about Goku, the other Z Fighters played a big part in a large battle scene and Vegeta had a chance to shine for once.

That is how it should be done. Goku and Vegeta to be the main characters but not for it to revolve around them constantly and allow others to have a chance to do things as well.

Introducing a new main character or pushing Goku and Vegeta to the background and letting Goten and Trunks take over would only hurt the series.

[dbzfan7]

They should keep Goku and Vegeta as the main characters. The series would never be as successful of as popular if they started changing that up and gave them a backseat to other characters or even worse new characters.

If it's not broke don't fix it.

The entire Z series has always been switching around protagonists all the time. Sometimes it's Goku, sometimes it was Gohan & Krillin, sometimes it was Vegeta, sometimes it was Piccolo. Z while being very repetitive, benched Goku or found ways to make other people to take the center stage, and the repeat the Goku comes in finally to save the day trope. If anything it's more like GT now where we skip the part where other people take precedence, and skip to the drama of everyone needing Goku. Before you could count on some other characters, but now you can only count on Goku. Not Vegeta cause he'll fuck things up somehow since he seems to find a way to always turn a winning situation into a losing battle.

I wouldn't say they switch protagonists more so it just focused on different ones at a given time. In Z the main character has always really been Goku with Gohan and Vegeta being the other two of three main characters.

Battle of Gods was like GT because it was all about Goku and the others were all fodder for Beerus. They did nothing but get stomped.

Resurrection F was better for that because it wasn't all about Goku, the other Z Fighters played a big part in a large battle scene and Vegeta had a chance to shine for once.

That is how it should be done. Goku and Vegeta to be the main characters but not for it to revolve around them constantly and allow others to have a chance to do things as well.

Introducing a new main character or pushing Goku and Vegeta to the background and letting Goten and Trunks take over would only hurt the series.

Z constantly and I mean constantly had different characters driving the plot. Sometimes everything hinged on Goku, sometimes Piccolo, sometimes Vegeta, sometimes Gohan, etc. When I say switch protagonists I don't mean permanent switches. I mean they each take meaningful turns driving the overall story. There were times when Goku could not be counted on, and so it fell to Vegeta, Piccolo, or someone else. Now it always falls to Goku to handle every little thing.

I give BOG a little more credit as everyone was fodder even if Goku and Vegeta were treated a bit better than the others. Once Goku became God is when the overwhelming gap became so huge it's impossible for anyone outside of gods to be of any relevance.

In a battle Freeza knew was so pointless and a big waste of time against a bunch of nobodies. I see nothing beneficial of it. It's the exact same thing GT did where all the other heroes were battling the baddies who came out of hell til 17 stomped everyone. The only difference being at least we had cool cameo's from the past in GT, and in F only Gohan got crushed instead of everyone like with 17. Vegeta had a bigger role in the F when compared to GT in the sense he was buffed to be fusion fodder, while in F he wasn't and had a very very brief time to star. Vegeta from what I saw is a big fool who has the most embarrassing failure I've ever seen that makes Yamcha look good.

I want more than that. I am fine with Goku and Vegeta being the stars that was never a problem. But I do not want canon fodder and down time to be all the other cast is good for. Which is all they're good for. What's the point if all they do is comment how awesome those two are and don't grow at all. Hence the new characters will probably come in and put the tired old relics on the shelf when the new universe comes to play. New rivals on par with Goku who can have fun personalities, and be of use to the story. Goku was constantly pushed to the background ALL THE TIME in Z. They had to keep coming up with tons of reasons why Goku isn't around so someone else can drive the arc for a while. Doing that with Goku and Vegeta is not bad. That doesn't mean remove them from the story or not have them as main characters. It's sharing worthwhile screen time.

[NinjaGoku]

They should keep Goku and Vegeta as the main characters. The series would never be as successful of as popular if they started changing that up and gave them a backseat to other characters or even worse new characters.

If it's not broke don't fix it.

The entire Z series has always been switching around protagonists all the time. Sometimes it's Goku, sometimes it was Gohan & Krillin, sometimes it was Vegeta, sometimes it was Piccolo. Z while being very repetitive, benched Goku or found ways to make other people to take the center stage, and the repeat the Goku comes in finally to save the day trope. If anything it's more like GT now where we skip the part where other people take precedence, and skip to the drama of everyone needing Goku. Before you could count on some other characters, but now you can only count on Goku. Not Vegeta cause he'll fuck things up somehow since he seems to find a way to always turn a winning situation into a losing battle.

I wouldn't say they switch protagonists more so it just focused on different ones at a given time. In Z the main character has always really been Goku with Gohan and Vegeta being the other two of three main characters.

Battle of Gods was like GT because it was all about Goku and the others were all fodder for Beerus. They did nothing but get stomped.

Resurrection F was better for that because it wasn't all about Goku, the other Z Fighters played a big part in a large battle scene and Vegeta had a chance to shine for once.

That is how it should be done. Goku and Vegeta to be the main characters but not for it to revolve around them constantly and allow others to have a chance to do things as well.

Introducing a new main character or pushing Goku and Vegeta to the background and letting Goten and Trunks take over would only hurt the series.

BOG = Goku not strong enough, got away with it.
ROF = Goku and Vegeta strong enough, made a slip up, got away with it in the end.

As movies they get a free pass for having simple plots, but as an adaption to a series it is boring to watch because there is absolutely no complexity to the story, there's no real struggle. The two movies were so formulaic that I'm not sure the writers are willing to go outside of the safe zone for a decent arc, and I don't blame them after GT.

The thing is that they nedd to invent new barriers for Goku and Vegeta not to take the main spot. In ROF it was due to a delay with communication between planets, but Goku can travel between places instantly. They will have to be very inventive if they want to create any kind a struggle to defeat a villain, there's no snake way, no delay traveling to space, no wishing Goku back, no heart disease, etc.

[Chuquita]

Someone mentioned the idea of Gokû's teleportation not working properly in Universe 6. There's always trying that.

[fadeddreams5]

I want the planets of universe 6 to be shaped like cubes.

[Doctor.]

I want the planets of universe 6 to be shaped like cubes.

I want the planets of universe 6 to be galaxy-sized.