The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[fadeddreams5]

And aside from Beerus, who has ever been immune to poison? The only other character who ever got poisoned was Goku, and he most definitely did not shrug it off.

Mr. Satan tried to poison Buu, IIRC.

Hypothetically speaking, I just think any of those threats could be dealt with a punch to the face if they were written into the DB world. Ki is more important than anything else when it comes to measuring power in this universe; it seems to nullify everything else.

....Buu is immortal magical bubblegum. Not really comparable to a "normal" mortal being.

You can't say that ki is more important when we haven't seen it trump these abilities. A reality bender could turn Ki into lead. You are ascribing feats to characters who have not demonstrated anything like that before.

Buu isn't immortal.

I'm just going by what I saw in the Buu saga. Babidi's magic worked on so many strong warriors. However, the minute he used it on a high tier SSJ2 character, it didn't work. Buu's candy beam seemed flawless... until he used it on a character whose ki/power eclipsed his own. The same thing happened when Buu absorbed Vegito, who uses a ki-based barrier to enter his body without being assimilated into it. Hell, even the magic of the dragon balls doesn't work against someone really strong. It just seems to me that magic and telepathy don't work against anyone with strong enough ki. Just food for thought. I can't say anything about full scale reality warping (wish Janemba did more...).

[Lord Beerus]

Buu isn't immortal.

Yeah, he kinda is, if he's lived for millions of years and has never aged.

[Kamiccolo9]

Buu isn't immortal.

I'm just going by what I saw in the Buu saga. Babidi's magic worked on so many strong warriors. However, the minute he used it on a high tier SSJ2 character, it didn't work. Buu's candy beam seemed flawless... until he used it on a character whose ki/power eclipsed his own. The same thing happened when Buu absorbed Vegito, who uses a ki-based barrier to enter his body without being assimilated into it. Hell, even the magic of the dragon balls doesn't work against someone really strong. It just seems to me that magic and telepathy don't work against anyone with strong enough ki. Just food for thought. I can't say anything about full scale reality warping (wish Janemba did more...).

And, as I said, Babidi is pathetic when put up against essentially any of the more well-known mages in Marvel or DC, and all of his magic worked, except for his mind control in one instance, and it wasn't because of Vegeta's strength; it was because Vegeta's willpower was able to resist Babidi's commands. Vegetto's power is never said to be why he was able to overcome Buu's magic, and it's more likely that it was the Kaioshin influence of the Potara, seeing as Buu and the Kaioshin have proven to be incompatible. And the Dragon Balls have specific rules that don't apply to other forms of magic, even within the series.

It's not "food for thought," it's you trying to apply made-up Dragon Ball rules to other franchises.

[fadeddreams5]

Buu isn't immortal.

Yeah, he kinda is, if he's lived for millions of years and has never aged.

Nothing states he's immortal. He may just age really, really slowly.

Also, he can die.

And, as I said, Babidi is pathetic when put up against essentially any of the more well-known mages in Marvel or DC, and all of his magic worked, except for his mind control in one instance, and it wasn't because of Vegeta's strength; it was because Vegeta's willpower was able to resist Babidi's commands. Vegetto's power is never said to be why he was able to overcome Buu's magic, and it's more likely that it was the Kaioshin influence of the Potara, seeing as Buu and the Kaioshin have proven to be incompatible. And the Dragon Balls have specific rules that don't apply to other forms of magic, even within the series.

It's not "food for thought," it's you trying to apply made-up Dragon Ball rules to other franchises.

Those are just observations I've made. Vegito completely and utterly dominated Buu. Him regaining consciousness after turning into a piece of candy was a testament of his superiority, not Kaioshin influence, which is unconfirmed fan speculation. He purposely let himself get absorbed to save the others; Vegito had no clue he'd get separated inside Buu.

All I'm saying is that ki and power levels, punches and kicks, beams and blasts have always been what are used to determine a character's superiority in this franchise. It stands to reason that Vegeta's will power alone would mean jack shit if he was weaker than Pui Pui. But maybe resolve is all it took, and those guys just didn't give a crap. *shrug*

For the record, I'm not saying Goku stands a chance against any of those Marvel guys. It's just interesting to think how they would mesh in the DB multiverse with this concept of "ki" and power levels. Everything here is settled through a martial arts battle, where even extraterrestrials know hand-to-hand combat.

[Hellspawn28]

Shuma-Gorath would probably solo the Dragon Ballverse in his realm. I remember he own Doctor Strange in his first battle and even took down Sise-Neg. He is so powerful that he makes Odin, Dormammu and Mephisto look like ants in comparison. I don't see how anyone in the Dragon Ball universe can beat him. Not to mention he could absorb energy from nearly anything and even Whis strongest attack could do nothing to him.

[Lord Beerus]

Buu isn't immortal.

Yeah, he kinda is, if he's lived for millions of years and has never aged.

Nothing states he's immortal. He may just age really, really slowly.

Also, he can die.

Toriyama stated in an interview that Majin Boo had lived since time immemorial through cycles of rampage and hibernation. He is immortal.

Also, immortality doesn't me you can't be killed, it just means you can't die of natural causes. If a person can't die in any circumstance, that means that have invulnerability, not immortality.

[dbzfan7]

Boo is immortal. He has what I call class 1 immortality, also known as eternal life. Boo can not die by any natural causes. He can only die if he's killed. Kinda like Shadow who is also a class 1 immortal. He also like boo can not die unless he's killed. They essentially never can grow old nor sick.

[Sandubadear]

Boo is immortal. He has what I call class 1 immortality, also known as eternal life. Boo can not die by any natural causes. He can only die if he's killed. Kinda like Shadow who is also a class 1 immortal. He also like boo can not die unless he's killed. They essentially never can grow old nor sick.

This. Garlic Jr, on the other hand has "Absolute Immortality", which is someone who can't die no matter what.

[Kamiccolo9]

Boo is immortal. He has what I call class 1 immortality, also known as eternal life. Boo can not die by any natural causes. He can only die if he's killed. Kinda like Shadow who is also a class 1 immortal. He also like boo can not die unless he's killed. They essentially never can grow old nor sick.

This. Garlic Jr, on the other hand has "Absolute Immortality", which is someone who can't die no matter what.

Shuma-Gorath, the guy you said that Beerus and Goku kills, is absolutely immortal. Death couldn't kill him.

[Sandubadear]

Boo is immortal. He has what I call class 1 immortality, also known as eternal life. Boo can not die by any natural causes. He can only die if he's killed. Kinda like Shadow who is also a class 1 immortal. He also like boo can not die unless he's killed. They essentially never can grow old nor sick.

This. Garlic Jr, on the other hand has "Absolute Immortality", which is someone who can't die no matter what.

Shuma-Gorath, the guy you said that Beerus and Goku kills, is absolutely immortal. Death couldn't kill him.

Well I didn't know that when I said that lol.

[rereboy]

Also, immortality doesn't me you can't be killed, it just means you can't die of natural causes. If a persona can't die in any circumstance, that means that have invulnerability, not immortality.

That's not it.

Immortality in the literal sense is simply the opposite of mortality, making an immortal the opposite of a mortal. The definition of a mortal is someone that is subject to death, so, therefore, an immortal, being the opposite, is someone not subject to death. There is no specification to what kind of death in this literal sense, it refers to death in general, not to any particular kind.

However, over the years, especially in fiction, the term immortality has been used in more ways than one, making the literal sense not the only one used. One particularly common use is the one that links immortality to being impervious to the effects of age, but not death in general, since that person could still die and be killed in the right circumstances (like, for example, vampires).

This fact has even made people classify different kinds of immortality regarding fiction. One possible list of classification is this:

Levels of Immortality

Semi-Immortality

Cannot age, thus preventing death via senescence.
Remains vulnerable to mortal wounds, diseases, and foreign substances.
Mental damage may still occur.

Reliant Immortality (Concept-Dependent Immortality, Self-Puppetry)

User acquires immortality by anchoring their life to a certain object, source, concept, etc.
Destruction of anchor ends the user's immortality.
The physical body remains mortal, only the soul is earthbound.
May require continuous intake of source or maintenance of object to remain immortal.

Immortality

Cannot age once reaching a certain point.
Immune to diseases, toxins and drugs.
Wounds, even crippling or fatal ones, heal near instantly.
Time-manipulating powers can erase the user's existence, as opposed to biologically killing them.
May apply only to biological immortality, as the mind and/or soul may remain mortal.
Immortality power may be removed, rendering the user mortal once again.

Unfettered Body

Cannot age once reaching a certain point.
Body is completely immune to physical damage, toxins and pathogens.
Soul and mind may remain vulnerable.
Per chance the body is harmed, regeneration may not occur.
Time-manipulating powers can erase the user's existence, as opposed to biologically killing them.

Absolute Immortality

Cannot age.
Immune to all diseases, toxins and drugs.
All wounds and injuries heal instantly.
Immortality applies to body, mind and soul, rendering the user truly "absolute".
Power is absolute, so it cannot be removed, nor can the user's existence from timelines.

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Immortality

On a interesting note, there actually exists one type of immortality in the real world. It is refereed to as Biological immortality : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_immortality

On the other hand, invulnerability, taken into the literal sense, goes beyond being vulnerable to death, and includes pretty much everything. However, this is so broad that this term is usually refereed specifically in regards to something.

[fadeddreams5]

Toriyama stated in an interview that Majin Boo had lived since time immemorial through cycles of rampage and hibernation. He is immortal.

Also, immortality doesn't me you can't be killed, it just means you can't die of natural causes. If a person can't die in any circumstance, that means that have invulnerability, not immortality.

Immortality literally means undying. Unable to die. Invulnerability means unable to be harmed or damaged. Neither applies to Buu.

But I guess there may be different forms of immortality, as dbzfan7 and rereboy stated. What Buu may have is eternal youth, which is still debatable. Immemorial refers to an unrecorded time period that falls beyond memory. It doesn't mean he's always existed. Not to mention, he was sealed for a long time. Give it a few million years, and he may grew a beard!

[Blackstripe]

What if Roshi at the beginning of Dragon Ball had the same level of power he possessed in RoF? How would this change things? Would Gokuu and Kuririn make greater gains under his tutelage, or would their powers ultimately suffer for it?

As a funny bonus: though non-canon, Movie 2's Dr. Wheelo might not seem quite so foolish.

[Sandubadear]

What if Roshi at the beginning of Dragon Ball had the same level of power he possessed in RoF? How would this change things? Would Gokuu and Kuririn make greater gains under his tutelage, or would their powers ultimately suffer for it?

As a funny bonus: though non-canon, Movie 2's Dr. Wheelo might not seem quite so foolish.

Roshi would be the main character, not Goku, since he'd be able to defeat all enemies of Dragon Ball until Nappa and Vegeta arrive, in which they'll all die.

[Blackstripe]

Roshi would be the main character, not Goku, since he'd be able to defeat all enemies of Dragon Ball until Nappa and Vegeta arrive, in which they'll all die.

Well, I doubt Vegeta and Nappa would even go to Earth in those circumstances. Gokuu wouldn't die against Raditz, and so Roshi has no reason to mention the Dragon Balls.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Toriyama stated in an interview that Majin Boo had lived since time immemorial through cycles of rampage and hibernation. He is immortal.

Boo is immortal. He has what I call class 1 immortality, also known as eternal life. Boo can not die by any natural causes. He can only die if he's killed. Kinda like Shadow who is also a class 1 immortal. He also like boo can not die unless he's killed. They essentially never can grow old nor sick.

Boo is not immortal, he just has an incredibly large life-spawn, which can be shortened by having kids. He created his entire race in Toriyama's DBO, and he eventually died of natural causes. His descendants start from babies, grow into kids, then to adults, and then they grow old. None of them are immortal.

[Noah]

What if the humans (Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chaozu) trained with Whis?

[fadeddreams5]

What if the humans (Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu) trained with Whis?

The same as when Krillin and Gohan got their potentials unlocked by Guru: nothing.

[LightBing]

What if the humans (Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu) trained with Whis?

From the little we saw from Whis training, it was more about pointing out flaws. It's the same as Mr.Popo with Goku. The humans would spar, which would cause a decent power increase, plus they would better utilize their strength.

So give everyone a x2 boost. But there might more to Whis training than this. Let's hope Super expands on it.

What if Goku didn't die in the Cell Games? Both him and Vegeta would train almost everyday until the 25th TB. Gohan does maintenance training, so he keeps his Cell Games power. How would the Boo change?

[Berserker1921]

What if the humans (Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu) trained with Whis?

The same as when Krillin and Gohan got their potentials unlocked by Guru: nothing.

Well whis said Vegeta could become as strong or stronger then goku if he learned to control his ki. If this is true and he didn't absorb the god power. Whis training could make them all pretty op