Why so much hate for Gohan now?

[EXBadguy]

If that's the case, then I think Toriyama should've either ended the series either at Freeza or Cell or choose another protagonist for the Buu saga and have everybody who ain't fighting in Super be killed off for good.

What is it with some of you and your wish to see all "non relevant" characters killed off? Is it part of some pseudo-masochistic wish to see Goku and Vegeta go all grim-dark, fail to resurrect everyone, become even MORE grim dark, and everything just starts being about exploding body parts like Fist of the North Star, or something? Because that's not Dragon Ball. It's not even close.

I don't mean that literally, I'm just trying to say that if Toriyama doesn't want to work on Gohan and the next gen, I'd say leave them alone. But since you ask about the grim-dark stuff, I would like a saga from Toriyama that is a mixture of the Trunks special and the Shadow Dragons. It'd be about the Dragon Ball disappearing for good and anyone who dies stays dead, but I mostly want that because I want the characters to develop more sense of loss, since they were doing so well in the Cell saga.

[samuraix123]

Whoa! Just got back on here and seen the replies I got! there is 1 thing I don't like and that's the Yamcha jokes and how in my opinion he is being treated unfairly. With Gohan I let it pass because as someone else said Gohan doesn't know who is or maybe he's just lost all passion at all for fighting and is ready to settle down and live a normal life. But Yamcha...He's in my opinion a fighter! so why does he just set back and not do anything!? Even Tien is still rocking and rolling and in ROF he said he left him behind. I love Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist and I was happy to see him do at-least something in Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return. I wanna see him put in work again! even if you can't beat the main bad guy, Get in there. Take your whippings. and wait for help. haha

[Doctor.]

He's in my opinion a fighter! so why does he just set back and not do anything!?

Because he knows he's outclassed and has retired a long time ago.

Gohan, however, has a way of easily getting stronger without having to lift a finger for the rest of his life, and is stupidly ignoring it.

[Lord Beerus]

"Hate" is too strong of a word. I think it's more apathy from Toei, and to an extension Toriyama, in regards to the character.

[dbzfan7]

I loved Gohan going Great Saiyaman in BoG, I found it quite entertaining. In Super they replaced it with.... I don't recall Gohan doing anything worth mentioning in Super...
And that's the problem. Gohan is boring now.

Replace him with a cardboard cutout, no one will tell the difference.

Here's the cutout, and it's replicating Gohan to a T

[EXBadguy]

Shit, this is mad disrespectful.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

If that's the case, then I think Toriyama should've either ended the series either at Freeza or Cell or choose another protagonist for the Buu saga and have everybody who ain't fighting in Super be killed off for good.

What is it with some of you and your wish to see all "non relevant" characters killed off? Is it part of some pseudo-masochistic wish to see Goku and Vegeta go all grim-dark, fail to resurrect everyone, become even MORE grim dark, and everything just starts being about exploding body parts like Fist of the North Star, or something? Because that's not Dragon Ball. It's not even close.

People that outgrew the franchise just can't accept that Dragon Ball is and always was a shonen aimed to elementary school kids (or at most early high school but thats a big maybe).

[Kuririn Fan]

I never really liked Gohan, Toriyama just shoved him down our throats and we should just accept him and he should even replace our protagonist who we knew since chapter 1. Yeah, no thanks. He was badass against Cell, but thats it, he never wanted to fight and became a scholar he always wanted to be. Good for him.

[EXBadguy]

If that's the case, then I think Toriyama should've either ended the series either at Freeza or Cell or choose another protagonist for the Buu saga and have everybody who ain't fighting in Super be killed off for good.

What is it with some of you and your wish to see all "non relevant" characters killed off? Is it part of some pseudo-masochistic wish to see Goku and Vegeta go all grim-dark, fail to resurrect everyone, become even MORE grim dark, and everything just starts being about exploding body parts like Fist of the North Star, or something? Because that's not Dragon Ball. It's not even close.

People that outgrew the franchise just can't accept that Dragon Ball is and always was a shonen aimed to elementary school kids (or at most early high school but thats a big maybe).

Does that mean the characters and story have to be dumbed down and nonsensical in general(Super)? If Dragon Ball was in the same category Pokemon's in, I understand, but it isn't. There are other shonen series that are consistent and doesn't fuck around. Even some American animated series can be more consistent. Toriyama needs to do a better job.

Of course, you can say Gohan's demeanor in the Buu saga and Super was consistent, but still, it's not a crime for some people to expect a character to develop into something different.

[precita]

I think its sad this view of Gohan is exactly why Toriyama made Goku the hero of the Buu saga and why GT was so Goku focused.

You people should have accepted Gohan as the replacement for Goku years ago. Now because of this we're stuck with Goku being shoved down our throats forever

[Kuririn Fan]

I think its sad this view of Gohan is exactly why Toriyama made Goku the hero of the Buu saga and why GT was so Goku focused.

You people should have accepted Gohan as the replacement for Goku years ago. Now because of this we're stuck with Goku being shoved down our throats forever

It was Toriyama's decision for Goku taking the torch back.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I never really liked Gohan, Toriyama just shoved him down our throats and we should just accept him and he should even replace our protagonist who we knew since chapter 1. Yeah, no thanks. He was badass against Cell, but thats it, he never wanted to fight and became a scholar he always wanted to be. Good for him.

I agree with this. Gohan was always that son of Goku with great potential, I mean seriously how many times did his potential get unlocked? He never was interesting* at all. Sure Goten is pretty pointless now too but he bounces of Trunks well and they two of them have a certain charm to them (when they're not fighting ie. first episode of Super) Gohan didn't have anyone like that. He wasn't developed well at all.

*Well I did like him in the early Buu arc when he is Great Saiyman, teaching Videl and Goten to fly etc. But when the fighting happened and he got his Ultimate power up and arrived on the scene I never got that feeling of satisfaction I did when Goku would do that (like on Namek when he arrived on the battlefield against Freeza) so I can totally understand when Toriyama said he didn't feel like Gohan could fill in the protagonist role.

[JulieYBM]

From Daizenshuu 2:

Interviewer: And then the Cell arc ended. Did you think that everyone felt you would put Gohan into the leading role?

Akira Toriyama: I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn’t work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.

He's right, because someone like Gohan would never have been a very good character for the role. With Gokuu you can do more than simply protecting the universe, you can do battles of pride and becoming stronger for its own sake. With someone like Gohan it would never be about getting stronger for its own sake, but for protecting the world, which is not quite the sort of message Toriyama likes to write. Toriyama likes to avoid any sort of themes in his work.

[baneofdemon22]

I still love Gohan! I actually liked seeing him with Videl in the recent Super episode. I'm not a fan of his choice to cut training, but I enjoy seeing him as a benevolent family man!

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

People hate him because they don't care about HIM just his power of making people his bitch and having 1 sided fights. his big fans still love him but some only care about his power. I'm not a Gohan fan, I don't care about him not being the strongest, I care he's so out of character past cell. He DOES like to fight.

[precita]

Gohan was a fantastic character in the show for years. Most of the Saiyan, Freeza and Cell sagas were about him. He also had quite a big role in the Buu saga from Saiyanman to his fight with Super Buu.

I don't see how anyone could watch the show for years and not like Gohan when literally the majority of the story in every series was about him. Most of the Saiyan saga focuses on Gohan almost equally to Goku. Most of early/mid Freeza arc was all about Gohan and Krillin.

[Doctor.]

I don't see how anyone could watch the show for years and not like Gohan when literally the majority of the story in every series was about him. Most of the Saiyan saga focuses on Gohan almost equally to Goku. Most of early/mid Freeza arc was all about Gohan and Krillin.

I don't like him. It doesn't matter if the show focuses on him a lot or not, people have different tastes. I know people who dislike Goku, and he's the main character.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Gohan was a fantastic character in the show for years. Most of the Saiyan, Freeza and Cell sagas were about him. He also had quite a big role in the Buu saga from Saiyanman to his fight with Super Buu.

I don't see how anyone could watch the show for years and not like Gohan when literally the majority of the story in every series was about him. Most of the Saiyan saga focuses on Gohan almost equally to Goku. Most of early/mid Freeza arc was all about Gohan and Krillin.

It was mostly about his potential rather then him as was. Sure he had screen time but he didn't do much in it. You might aswell say the Namek arc was about Krillin if that is the case, he did as much as Gohan did. The Saiyan-Freeza arc was always about Goku, Gohan was just sort of there, the story never was about Gohan until Gohan entered the HTC/RoSaT/CPD.

[B]

Gohan dropping the Potara earring is all that really needed to be said about that character and his role in the story, and it was said as succinctly as possible. If you thought that nerd was a badass, that's really more on you than Toriyama.

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned making him a "hacker," and I like the idea of him taking on more of a Bulma-esque role. But really, it sounds like people are having less of a problem with Gohan and more of a problem with the general slice-of-life stories his newlywed self brings to the table.

I don't see how anyone could watch the show for years and not like Gohan when literally the majority of the story in every series was about him. Most of the Saiyan saga focuses on Gohan almost equally to Goku. Most of early/mid Freeza arc was all about Gohan and Krillin.

Those are the worst arcs in the series.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I loved Gohan going Great Saiyaman in BoG, I found it quite entertaining. In Super they replaced it with.... I don't recall Gohan doing anything worth mentioning in Super...
And that's the problem. Gohan is boring now.

Replace him with a cardboard cutout, no one will tell the difference.

Here's the cutout, and it's replicating Gohan to a T

Spoiler:

I remember that from the F thread, still funny.