The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Angelus]

Krillin+Chiaotzu Potara Fusion VS Tien+Yamcha Fusion Dance -- All Androids Saga. No tribeam, kienzan, fusion time limit

[Captain Space]

I don't know... Ginyu said that with Vegeta's body he can solo Kuririn and Gohan, a feat that in Goku's body he was totally unable to. So Vegeta ( At Jheese ) is stronger than Goku ( Vs Ginyus ), don't you think?

I'd put that down to Ginyu just being stupid again. Like how he thought he'd have 180k as Goku. "Well Vegeta's much stronger than those two, so if I steal his body, I can beat them!" sort of thing.

Super Saiyan Blue Cell saga Goku vs. these characters:

1. Super Perfect Cell
2. SSj2 Cell saga Gohan
3. Majin Vegeta
4. Fat Buu
5. Super Buu
6. Mystic Gohan
7. Buuhan
8. SSj Vegito

How far does he go?

Goku has more chances if he used Kaioken (SSGSS being a 1.5x increase, 2x at most).

Going by the movies, yes, but by DB Super it's more akin to the (huge) regular SSJ boost (in that Goku's base is a lot lower than it was in BoG/RF). Which makes more sense, because otherwise you have to start asking why he doesn't use Kaioken, or at least provide an explanation for why he doesn't.

[Hellspawn28]

Majuub vs. Qi Xing Long (Naturon Shenron) (Pan absorbed)

No turning people into candy. Who wins?

[ZombieVito]

Nameless Namek [Before split] vs BoZ Goku.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Majuub vs. Qi Xing Long (Naturon Shenron) (Pan absorbed)

No turning people into candy. Who wins?

Pan alone would beat Super Oob in my opinion, adding her on to Qi makes this even more of a slaughter.

[Hellspawn28]

Super Uub was able to stand up against Bebi Vegeta 3 and Pan almost got herself killed against Bebi from what I can remember. SSj4 Goku was holding off against Qi Xing Long since Pan was inside him and didn't want Pan to die inside.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

That was in the Baby arc. Pan by the Evil Dragons arc is stronger than her Baby arc self.

[LightBing]

Nameless Namek [Before split] vs BoZ Goku.

I just made a little research for the Power levels thread, regarding the Namekian. The Namekess Namek would crush Goku. He would also crush Raditz if he got in his way. There's a decent gap in power.

[ZombieVito]

Nameless Namek [Before split] vs BoZ Goku.

I just made a little research for the Power levels thread, regarding the Namekian. The Namekess Namek would crush Goku. He would also crush Raditz if he got in his way. There's a decent gap in power.

How? Namaless Namek can't be higher than 520.

[LightBing]

Nameless Namek [Before split] vs BoZ Goku.

I just made a little research for the Power levels thread, regarding the Namekian. The Namekess Namek would crush Goku. He would also crush Raditz if he got in his way. There's a decent gap in power.

How? Namaless Namek can't be higher than 520.

Why not? We know that it's more than the sum of the parts. Or else Piccolo turning into Kamiccolo would be useless, Grand Elder and Nail statements also support this.

[ZombieVito]

Why not? We know that it's more than the sum of the parts. Or else Piccolo turning into Kamiccolo would be useless, Grand Elder and Nail statements also support this.

Not exactly. Guru said he cut his genius and power in half when he split. Since King Piccolo max is 260, then that means he should have been at 520 merged with God. This is also why 99% of people have Piccolo doubling his power after fusing with God.

[LightBing]

Why not? We know that it's more than the sum of the parts. Or else Piccolo turning into Kamiccolo would be useless, Grand Elder and Nail statements also support this.

Not exactly. Guru said he cut his genius and power in half when he split. Since King Piccolo max is 260, then that means he should have been at 520 merged with God. This is also why 99% of people have Piccolo doubling his power after fusing with God.

I see you point, however that could only apply to the first split. Since Nail statement and Piccolo increase after fusing with God, for me, seems not to follow that logic. There's also the problem of Kami being stronger than Piccolo Daimao, that's when he's old. When he was younger Kami should've been even stronger than that.

[Captain Space]

There's also the fact that apparently only a "Super Saiyan" could've beaten the Nameless Namek.

Now obviously Guru doesn't know exactly how strong a SSJ is, but it's safe to assume he means no saiyan within the normal range of power for their race could do it, right? i.e. to stand a chance against the Nameless Namek, a saiyan would have to surpass their race's normal limits (like Goku did at 100G), and be strong enough that Namek-arc Vegeta will start freaking out and going "argh blargh it's a Super Saiyan you guys!"

So well over 30,000 at least.

Of course, this hella contradicts with the "cut his power in half" statement, unless prime Kami is somehow supposed to have been 15,000 or more, and haha, no.

So what do we conclude from this?

...that the two statements are contradictory. Go with whichever one you prefer. *shrug* I'm going with the higher, tens-of-thousands one because it seems like the "halved" thing could be meant less literally, but that's just to me.

[ZombieVito]

Elder Kaioshin vs Base Goku [Android Arc]. No magic or Kaioken.

[Khin]

- Beerus vs. GT Verse

[Sandubadear]

- Beerus vs. GT Verse

In my BP list, following Beerus' 10 and Whis' 15; I have SSJ4 Goku at 18, San Xing Long at 12, and Suu Xing Long at 15, which are the closest numbers. Baby and Super 17 would be one-shotted, unless somehow Super 17 absorbs the god power.

Elder Kaioshin vs Base Goku [Android Arc]. No magic or Kaioken.

Probably Goku.

[singsing]

Vegeta ( vs Jheese ) Vs Goku ( vs Ginyus no kaioken )

I think the rest of Vegeta's power-up didn't come until he slept for a while, he was still at the point where the average Ginyu Force member was "a good opponent" for him, so not too much stronger (plus they traded blows for a bit before Vegeta stomped him). So I'd say Goku.

I don't know... Ginyu said that with Vegeta's body he can solo Kuririn and Gohan, a feat that in Goku's body he was totally unable to. So Vegeta ( At Jheese ) is stronger than Goku ( Vs Ginyus ), don't you think?

That doesn't prove anything imo, Ginyu in Goku's body was only 23k, he was probably expecting Vegeta to have a more typical body that he could get used to straight away and power up, instead of Goku's unfamiliar ki and style.

[ahill1]

I don't know... Ginyu said that with Vegeta's body he can solo Kuririn and Gohan, a feat that in Goku's body he was totally unable to. So Vegeta ( At Jheese ) is stronger than Goku ( Vs Ginyus ), don't you think?

I'd put that down to Ginyu just being stupid again. Like how he thought he'd have 180k as Goku. "Well Vegeta's much stronger than those two, so if I steal his body, I can beat them!" sort of thing.

Super Saiyan Blue Cell saga Goku vs. these characters:

1. Super Perfect Cell
2. SSj2 Cell saga Gohan
3. Majin Vegeta
4. Fat Buu
5. Super Buu
6. Mystic Gohan
7. Buuhan
8. SSj Vegito

How far does he go?

Goku has more chances if he used Kaioken (SSGSS being a 1.5x increase, 2x at most).

Going by the movies, yes, but by DB Super it's more akin to the (huge) regular SSJ boost (in that Goku's base is a lot lower than it was in BoG/RF). Which makes more sense, because otherwise you have to start asking why he doesn't use Kaioken, or at least provide an explanation for why he doesn't.

But Goku himself said it would be all over if Ginyu overtake Vegeta's body.

[LightBing]

There's also the fact that apparently only a "Super Saiyan" could've beaten the Nameless Namek.

Now obviously Guru doesn't know exactly how strong a SSJ is, but it's safe to assume he means no saiyan within the normal range of power for their race could do it, right? i.e. to stand a chance against the Nameless Namek, a saiyan would have to surpass their race's normal limits (like Goku did at 100G), and be strong enough that Namek-arc Vegeta will start freaking out and going "argh blargh it's a Super Saiyan you guys!"

So well over 30,000 at least.

Of course, this hella contradicts with the "cut his power in half" statement, unless prime Kami is somehow supposed to have been 15,000 or more, and haha, no.

So what do we conclude from this?

...that the two statements are contradictory. Go with whichever one you prefer. *shrug* I'm going with the higher, tens-of-thousands one because it seems like the "halved" thing could be meant less literally, but that's just to me.

Guru must be making his assessment knowing Piccolo is 3000ish in power, he read Kuririn's mind. The Super Saiyan comment is before this, after that he says that the Nameless Namekian might have survived, I assume he evaluated Vegeta's power from Kuririns experiences.

[Captain Space]

Guru must be making his assessment knowing Piccolo is 3000ish in power, he read Kuririn's mind. The Super Saiyan comment is before this, after that he says that the Nameless Namekian might have survived, I assume he evaluated Vegeta's power from Kuririns experiences.

Sorry if I'm following this wrong, but you're saying you're also assuming the Nameless Namek was well above 30,000?