Filler and Super?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

So there's more and more filler characters being added to super. Does this make Super non canon to the manga? Or does this make filler canon to the manga now?
It almost seams as if the 2 films and the manga are 1 canon.
Ball-Z-GT is another canon
And Ball-Z-Super is a alternate anime canon.
I also wounder what filler characters we will/should get. What would you guys want filler wise in Super? It really seams like Super doesn't cut out Z filler,I know Gregory was made by Toriyama but IDK about Mr. Satan's 3 goons.

[fadeddreams5]

Super is non-canon until there's an official canon revealed, which will be never.

And Super is literally 100% filler until the Uni 6 saga begins. The BoG and F arcs were created, I assume, to maintain Kai's timeslot while Toriyama finishes the new story.

[precita]

Super is a direct continuation of the anime. So its anime-canon, but you don't have to consider it manga canon.

[SaiyaSith]

There's no defined canon, but DBS fits to the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z anime. So you could consider it canon to the anime. Akira Toriyama said Goku won't go SSJ 2 or 3 anymore, so that basically makes GT non-canon as of right now.

[Cetra]

Super is non-canon until there's an official canon revealed, which will be never.

The technical term is "undefined". "Not canonical" is a definite state, just like "canonical" but as there is nothing definite, it is undefined.

[Araki]

Super is non-canon until there's an official canon revealed, which will be never.

The technical term is "undefined". "Not canonical" is a definite state, just like "canonical" but as there is nothing definite, it is undefined.

This. You can't claim something is "not-canon" if there is no official canon revealed. Although it will always have more canon credit than GT, that's for sure.

And what "more and more filler characters" are these? Only Satan's party (who's been there from episode 1) and Gregory, designed by Toriyama. And they were all in Kai, so Super isn't really adding anything.

[dbgtFO]

If anything BoG and RoF are closer to manga canon than Super's BoG and RoF arcs are.
I just take Super as a continuation of DB Kai, rather than a continuation of the manga.

Original DB anime canon:
DB-->DBZ-->DBGT

DB Manga canon:
DB + Bog & RoF[...]

Modern DB anime canon:
DB-->DBK-->DBS.

[Pretorious]

If anything BoG and RoF are closer to manga canon than Super's BoG and RoF arcs are.
I just take Super as a continuation of DB Kai, rather than a continuation of the manga.

Original DB anime canon:
DB-->DBZ-->DBGT

DB Manga canon:
DB + Bog & RoF[...]

Modern DB anime canon:
DB-->DBK-->DBS.

I like this a lot. It makes perfect sense to me.

I would probably complicate it a bit by splitting the DBZ cannon into two branches: one that includes the original 13 movies alongside TV series plots introduced by TOEI (this is where the TV series' Garlic Jr. saga would live) and one that does not.

[Pannaliciour]

Dbs anime ia canon now because manga is an adoption of the anime. Why is there a topic of this?

[HybridSaiyan]

I consider "chef" Vegeta to be filler. I will not accept his character to be portrayed for silly amusement to that scale. His pride has been completely swept into the wind.









Krillin and his height issues bug me too. His height is filler.

[fadeddreams5]

^ Oh god... Vegeta... why...

[HybridSaiyan]

^ Oh god... Vegeta... why...

It's amazing how much he has changed since Buu's defeat huh?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Krillin and his height issues bug me too. His height is filler.

All this shows is that you aren't taking perspective into account. Not that you aren't correct, he should be taller than he is in the Super image. But, Kuririn is in front of 18 and closer to the "camera". Of course. he's going to appear taller. (But even that is wrong.)

This is still slightly off since Kuririn is a little off proportion and 18 is behind him, but it's a much better comparison (and closer to his Super incarnation). The other one was just really, really terrible though...

[fadeddreams5]

Isn't Krillin supposed to be like 5'0 or 5'1? They've made him a dwarf. lol.

[irreality]

Is Krillin not supposed to have dwarfism? I always read him as having some sort of growth problem/or genetically super short like pygmies. I find 5'0" (even if in some source guide) hard to believe, when sometimes he looks only slightly taller than 5 year old Gohan's height, or a head shorter than Bulma who is 5'4"/5'5".

[Araki]

I find 5'0" (even if in some source guide) hard to believe, when sometimes he looks only slightly taller than 5 year old Gohan's height, or a head shorter than Bulma who is 5'4"/5'5".

Yeah, there's no way Kuririn's height was ever that close to Bulma. He was often barely close to her waist, and really not much taller than little Gohan.
If anything, it's that shot from We Gotta Power that looks wrong. Look how smaller Bulma seems compared to this cover:






^and this was when Vegeta looked shorter.

His height (like many others) was never really consistent, but it's one of those things people only have a problem with now.
Toriyama always did this whenever he changed his style, ever since Arale shrunk during Dr. Slump..

[dae428]

Isn't Krillin supposed to be like 5'0 or 5'1? They've made him a dwarf. lol.

Dude height was never particularly consistent in Dragon Ball anyways.

@ LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta: If you're talking about Satan's disciples from the Cell Games, it's probably just kind of a nod to the audience kind of thing. It's like how Freeza's men have been getting indirect cameo's in their food forms from episode 2 and 16. Don't look too much into it.

Edit: Looks like Araki's beat me to it.

[fadeddreams5]

I find 5'0" (even if in some source guide) hard to believe, when sometimes he looks only slightly taller than 5 year old Gohan's height, or a head shorter than Bulma who is 5'4"/5'5".

Yeah, there's no way Kuririn's height was ever that close to Bulma. He was often barely close to her waist, and really not much taller than little Gohan.
If anything, it's that shot from We Gotta Power that looks wrong. Look how smaller Bulma seems compared to this cover:






^and this was when Vegeta looked shorter.

His height (like many others) was never really consistent, but it's one of those things people only have a problem with now.
Toriyama always did this whenever he changed his style, ever since Arale shrunk during Dr. Slump..

Looking at those pics, you're right. His height was inconsistent.

I guess the problem now is definitely the art style and character design (hair), not so much how tall he is. He genuinely looks like a little boy.

[HybridSaiyan]

Yeah. Krillin In Z just looks generally older than what he does in Super.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So there's more and more filler characters being added to super. Does this make Super non canon to the manga? Or does this make filler canon to the manga now?

The BoG/FnF arcs in Super seem to be filler themselves in the first place, since it doesn't look like Toriyama is involved with them, and Toei is extending them more than necessarily. It looks like they want to buy time for Toriyama to write the new stories for Super.