Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

[GTX]

You need to take into account though that, while Beerus and Goku were both actively negating the vibrations destroying the universe, Ii Shinlon would have literally no reason to avoid this. His intentions were destruction, and wasn't seeking a powerful opponent so much as just wanting to destroy everything so he wouldn't have any reason or desire to negate vibrations if he and Goku's clashes were generating them.

What are you talking about? What is your point?
I put my answer again.

It's just fight nobody negate each other it's stated by elder kai
Minute: 19
Context: as Goku and Beerus continue to beat the crap out of each other
Kibito-shin: “Even though they’re clashing together such powerful attacks, they’re not generating any universe-destroying vibrations!? Why?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Can’t you tell? Probably because it’s just a fight.”
Significance: Well, that’s a non-explanation if ever I heard one.
It happened after goku had power increase.
So the signifance here is that elder kai statement is wrong and cannot be trusted as hard evidence. He cannot even explain it well enough.

It's just a fight they're not negating each other. Negating shockwave require a lot of effort if they did really conciously do this in the first place.

Minute: 19
Context: Following the noticeable lack of universal destruction.
Elder Kaioshin: "[Goku] erased Beerus-sama's attack by slamming his fist against Beerus' at exactly the same speed and angle. He had planned on perfecting [the technique] on the second blow, but of course with Beerus-sama it wasn't so simple."
Beerus (thinking to himself): "Did this guy test out a new techniuqe in the middle of his fight with me?"

Significance: So Goku "erased" Beerus' attack by countering it with an equivalent attack. And he only got this right on the third attempt, which is why the first two times Goku and Beerus punch each other at the same time it generated shockwaves.

He did not do this at that time. Implying it worked.

Besides, given the section of the Dragon Ball GT TV Special animanga pertaining to Goku's evolution through the franchise, Super Saiya-jin Vegetto alone is possibly stronger than Super Saiya-jin 4, which would mean that Ssj God Goku would be vastly more powerful than Ssj4 Goku.

I don't understand what are you talking about? The GT special/gaiden was contradicting GT. Even at the GT special there is no statement about vegetto.

[Darkprince410]

I don't understand what are you talking about? The GT special/gaiden was contradicting GT. Even at the GT special there is no statement about vegetto.

There's an additional section in the animanga, beside the adaptation of the special, that is a guide showing Goku's different forms and changes (essentially a Goku evolution section) throughout the franchise at the time. The entry related to Vegetto has this information:

Merging With Vegeta!
After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!

Use the power of justice to eliminate evil!

[GTX]

I don't understand what are you talking about? The GT special/gaiden was contradicting GT. Even at the GT special there is no statement about vegetto.

There's an additional section in the animanga, beside the adaptation of the special, that is a guide showing Goku's different forms and changes (essentially a Goku evolution section) throughout the franchise at the time. The entry related to Vegetto has this information:

Merging With Vegeta!
After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!

Use the power of justice to eliminate evil!

Why should i even care about and that is not even canon material. GT is not even a book let alone a game.
!. why must i care something that is random dubious and not even official sequel or officially related.
2. why must i care something that contradict the original material.
3. why must i care something that is not even same medium as the original story material ( GT anime )
4. why must i care something that cannot fit in or cannot exist in db series.
5.why must i care something when the manga already stated that baby second form is the strongest ki he has ever felt.
There are many reasons to disregard this random guidebook that i don't know about.

[Darkprince410]

Why should i even care and that is not even canon material.

Given that it was published by Shuiesha, the animanga and its additional data material is as relevant as any other databook there is, such as the Daizenshuu, the GT Perfect Files, etc. It's an official source establishing that Ssj Vegetto is in the same ballpark as Super Saiya-jin 4 Goku (the only Ssj4 at the time of the special's release), which would mean that, given Goku's statement about Beerus and fusing with Vegeta, Super Saiya-jin 4 is considerably weaker than Super Saiya-jin God.

[GTX]

Why should i even care and that is not even canon material.

Given that it was published by Shuiesha, the animanga and its additional data material is as relevant as any other databook there is, such as the Daizenshuu, the GT Perfect Files, etc. It's an official source establishing that Ssj Vegetto is in the same ballpark as Super Saiya-jin 4 Goku (the only Ssj4 at the time of the special's release), which would mean that, given Goku's statement about Beerus and fusing with Vegeta, Super Saiya-jin 4 is considerably weaker than Super Saiya-jin God.

NO. You're grasping the straw too much by putting any fan level merchandise or fanservice to the original canon.
It's not even stated as officially related let alone many other random thing that they put in there. It doesn't make sense to the GT series.

Why should i even care about and that is not even canon material. GT is not even a book let alone a game.
!. why must i care something that is random dubious and not even official sequel or officially related.
2. why must i care something that contradict the original material.
3. why must i care something that is not even same medium as the original story material ( GT anime )
4. why must i care something that cannot fit in or cannot exist in db series.
5.why must i care something when the anime already stated that baby second form is the strongest ki he has ever felt.
6. Why must i care something when their information is inconsistent as fak & unreliable.
There are many reasons to disregard this random guidebook that i don't know about.

[Darkprince410]

NO. You're grasping the straw too much by putting any fan level merchandise or fanservice to the original canon.
It's not even stated as officially related let alone many other random thing that they put in there. It doesn't make sense to the GT series.

Why should i even care about and that is not even canon material. GT is not even a book let alone a game.
!. why must i care something that is random dubious and not even official sequel or officially related.
2. why must i care something that contradict the original material.
3. why must i care something that is not even same medium as the original story material ( GT anime )
4. why must i care something that cannot fit in or cannot exist in db series.
5.why must i care something when the anime already stated that baby second form is the strongest ki he has ever felt.
6. Why must i care something when their information is inconsistent as fak & unreliable.
There are many reasons to disregard this random guidebook that i don't know about.

1) Except the GT special is officially tied to GT, and the animanga is just as valid of an adaptation as anything else. I assume that you'll disregard the 6, 10, and 15 information pertaining to Ssj God Goku, Beerus, and Whis because it originated from the Battle of Gods animanga, just because it was an animanga.

2) Nothing about Vegetto being that strong contradicts the original material.

3) It's still an official release from the same company that releases all the other official guidebooks, so it stands as just as official and legitimate as the Daizenshuu, the Super Exciting Guide, the GT Perfect Files, etc.

4) Where do you get the idea that the GT Special doesn't exist within GT's continuity. Literally nothing about it ignores or contradicts GT, so an animanga adaptation, which is literally just stills from the special with speech bubbles, shouldn't be ignored just because you want it to be ignored.

5) Given that Goku has shown that he'll ignore what he himself has experienced before when making such statements, him saying that Bebi Vegeta is the strongest ki he's felt doesn't really mean anything at all.

6) Except that they aren't unreliable or inconsistent. When there's maybe a handful of legitimate errors spread out across the entirety of all the books, one would consider them, all in all, to be extremely accurate, and would only consider them unreliable because they contradict biased views on content.

[GTX]

NO. You're grasping the straw too much by putting any fan level merchandise or fanservice to the original canon.
It's not even stated as officially related let alone many other random thing that they put in there. It doesn't make sense to the GT series.

Why should i even care about and that is not even canon material. GT is not even a book let alone a game.
!. why must i care something that is random dubious and not even official sequel or officially related.
2. why must i care something that contradict the original material.
3. why must i care something that is not even same medium as the original story material ( GT anime )
4. why must i care something that cannot fit in or cannot exist in db series.
5.why must i care something when the anime already stated that baby second form is the strongest ki he has ever felt.
6. Why must i care something when their information is inconsistent as fak & unreliable.
There are many reasons to disregard this random guidebook that i don't know about.

1) Except the GT special is officially tied to GT, and the animanga is just as valid of an adaptation as anything else. I assume that you'll disregard the 6, 10, and 15 information pertaining to Ssj God Goku, Beerus, and Whis because it originated from the Battle of Gods animanga, just because it was an animanga.

2) Nothing about Vegetto being that strong contradicts the original material.

3) It's still an official release from the same company that releases all the other official guidebooks, so it stands as just as official and legitimate as the Daizenshuu, the Super Exciting Guide, the GT Perfect Files, etc.

4) Where do you get the idea that the GT Special doesn't exist within GT's continuity. Literally nothing about it ignores or contradicts GT, so an animanga adaptation, which is literally just stills from the special with speech bubbles, shouldn't be ignored just because you want it to be ignored.

5) Given that Goku has shown that he'll ignore what he himself has experienced before when making such statements, him saying that Bebi Vegeta is the strongest ki he's felt doesn't really mean anything at all.

6) Except that they aren't unreliable or inconsistent. When there's maybe a handful of legitimate errors spread out across the entirety of all the books, one would consider them, all in all, to be extremely accurate, and would only consider them unreliable because they contradict biased views on content.

You're totally wrong.
Guidebooks, daizenshuu, shounen jump, any other random books and even interview is not always right and each of it has made mistake before even in db series.
1. no it's not. IT's very funny there if there is anime tied with guidebook it's very uncommon and mostly all guide/fanbook that exist mostly contradict the anime so it's never been a consideration. Also This is not video game.
2. it contradict the anime as the original story medium because gt is anime medium and source material
3. no, they're just fanservice material. They're never considered as canon 99,9 % of the time.
4. it's not covering both the last 2 saga. goku has cemetery but he he has not dead.
goku is not dead because there is no halo but in gt there is halo's concept so they should have recognized if goku was dead. even chichi was not recognizing goku's dead.
5. goku can feel his ki before. he know when he is getting stronger and he can manipulate it. you cannot manipulate ki without felling your ki. You don't know you're stronger or weaker than other without knowing your ki and/or comparing it with yours.
6. yes because it mean it's cannot be trusted or unreliable as fck. there is no guarantee the information is correct.

[Darkprince410]

1. no it's not. IT's very funny there if there is anime tied with guidebook it's very uncommon and mostly all guide/fanbook that exist mostly contradict the anime so it's never been a consideration. Also This is not video game.

You'll find yourself in the extreme minority here if you don't consider the guidebooks relevant. They have, time and again, shown to be extremely accurate in terms of information, and ignoring them because you want to doesn't make their information any less accurate.

2. it contradict the anime as the original story medium because gt is anime at source material

Except that the GT anime special is also in animated format, and the animanga is literally the anime special converted to manga format. Besides, the Goku evolution section is in addition to the animanga, so even if you want to ignore the animanga part, the extra information still stands all the same.

3. no, they're just fanservice material. They're never considered as canon 99,9 % of the time.

Considering there is literally no officially defined canon, this is a moot point. Besides, in comparison to the anime, the databooks tend to get the information far more correct.

goku is not dead because there is no halo in gt there is halo. they should have recognize if goku was dead.

Except that no one in the special actually said he was dead. Just because he appeared in a cemetery doesn't mean that he died. Besides, Goku's fate was shown to be intentionally ambiguous, leaving his outcome uncertain, which the GT Special doesn't contradict.

5. goku can feel his ki before. he know when he is getting stronger and he can manipulate it. you cannot manipulate ki without felling your ki

However, as said before, he has been shown to ignore his own strength before in making such comments. For example, in movie 12, Goku flat out comments that he's never felt a ki as large as Fat Janemba's before, and this was specifically Fat Janemba, as Goku had yet to even lure him down into Hell yet to begin fighting him. However, despite having said that, Goku effortlessly defeats him as Super Saiya-jin 3, which means that Goku was stronger/had a higher ki, even though he had said he had never felt a ki as large as Janemba's before. As such, he ignored the ki that he himself had in making the statement.

6. yes because it mean it's cannot be trusted or unreliable as fck. there is no guarantee the informastion is correct.

You only choose to ignore it or consider it unreliable because you don't like the information. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. From a purely unbiased opinion, the information to come out of all the databooks, all in all, has been extremely accurate and reliable, with only maybe a handful of errors throughout all of them over the years.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You're totally wrong.
Guidebooks, daizenshuu, shounen jump, any other random books and even interview is not always right and each of it has made mistake before even in db series.

Which is why when we find a mistake, we disregard it. But how is Super Vegetto being perhaps stronger than SS4 Goku this a mistake? Yes, he does say that Super Baby 2 had the greatest ki he had ever felt, but he said the same thing about Fat Janenba before he defeated him as a Super Saiyan 3, so he doesn't necessarily include himself.

[GTX]

1. i don't feel as minority because it's fact so i must be in majority at least i'm in the right side and not in the wrong one
2. gt special is in movie or ova in other word it's fact it's not an anime series episode so you're considering all movie or ova as canon?
3. wrong tell me which anime with data book? there were also non sense. like how the inconsistent as fuck power level number in shounen jump.
4. There are tons of reason that legacy of hero is contradicting the anime and the weirdness in the setting. if i'm not wrong it even state it's in goku cemetery
5. no that just is non canon as fuck and it's cannot fit in anywhere in gt timeline.eventhough also there are tons of other reason for goku to state like that but not as your thinking
6. but it's there is no reason you can state this is wrong or right because there is no guarantee the book contain correct statement

You're totally wrong.
Guidebooks, daizenshuu, shounen jump, any other random books and even interview is not always right and each of it has made mistake before even in db series.

Which is why when we find a mistake, we disregard it. But how is Super Vegetto being perhaps stronger than SS4 Goku this a mistake? Yes, he does say that Super Baby 2 had the greatest ki he had ever felt, but he said the same thing about Fat Janenba before he defeated him as a Super Saiyan 3, so he doesn't necessarily include himself.

fat janemba cannot exist in any timeline and non canon as fuck. why should we care something random fanfiction.
Or because goku state his combat form ki. his very fat ass body cannot fit to use the ki properly or even to move properly or his fat ass body merely shell. Or the ki is magic and special cannot be measured correctly. or in normal state he cannot defeat it but goku already dead the ki consumption is low so he can achieve higher ki. Or probably just mistranslation in english word. Or the script writer is sleepy or simply making mistakes.
REmember the only way to kill janemba is by fusion. it's also fact goku cannot kill/ defeat janemba by his own power.

[Darkprince410]

1. i don't feel as minority because it's fact so i must be in majority at least i'm in the right side and not in the wrong one
2. gt special is in movie or considered so you're considering all movie as canon?
3. wrong tell me which anime with data book? there were also non sense. like how the inconsistent as fuck power level number in shounen jump.
4. There are tons of reason that legacy of hero is contradicting the anime and the weirdness in the setting. if i'm not wrong it even state it's in goku cemetery
5. no that just is non canon as fuck and it's cannot fit in anywhere in gt timeline.eventhough also there are tons of other reason for goku to state like that but not as your thinking
6. but it's there is no reason you can state this is wrong or right eventhough there is no guarantee the book contain correct statement

1) Most everyone on this side uses and considers the information from the databooks as being accurate, so if you consider them inaccurate and throw them out arbitrarily, then you're in the minority.

2) The special isn't a movie, and falls under the same category as the Trunks and Bardock specials, where it's only other content that contradicts them. Without that other content, they aren't contradicted, and given that nothing contradicts the GT special, which is meant to be in GT's continuity, then it counts.

3) Again, no, outside of a handful of situations, which, as stated elsewhere, they're thrown out, most all information within the guide books are considered accurate. Just because you say it's inaccurate doesn't mean that it is inaccurate.

4) No, Goku Jr. goes up to Goku's old house in Mount Paozu, and finds the Dragon Ball there. He doesn't travel to a cemetery at all. Nothing about it contradicts what is shown in GT, because it takes place 100 years after the battle with Ii Shinlon, and right before the Budoukai with Goku and Vegeta Jr.

5) Actually, I can make a case that it is in GT's continuity. Coola appears briefly in GT as one of the villains that escaped Hell, and Sauza, Coola's henchman from movie 5, appears in movie 12 as one of the villains that escaped Hell.

6) You're doing the exact same thing though. You're saying it's wrong and inaccurate with no evidence to support it, even though there's "no guarantee" (as you said it) that the information is wrong. General rule of thumb though is that it isn't wrong unless prove otherwise.

[GTX]

1. i don't feel as minority because it's fact so i must be in majority at least i'm in the right side and not in the wrong one
2. gt special is in movie or considered so you're considering all movie as canon?
3. wrong tell me which anime with data book? there were also non sense. like how the inconsistent as fuck power level number in shounen jump.
4. There are tons of reason that legacy of hero is contradicting the anime and the weirdness in the setting. if i'm not wrong it even state it's in goku cemetery
5. no that just is non canon as fuck and it's cannot fit in anywhere in gt timeline.eventhough also there are tons of other reason for goku to state like that but not as your thinking
6. but it's there is no reason you can state this is wrong or right eventhough there is no guarantee the book contain correct statement

1) Most everyone on this side uses and considers the information from the databooks as being accurate, so if you consider them inaccurate and throw them out arbitrarily, then you're in the minority.

2) The special isn't a movie, and falls under the same category as the Trunks and Bardock specials, where it's only other content that contradicts them. Without that other content, they aren't contradicted, and given that nothing contradicts the GT special, which is meant to be in GT's continuity, then it counts.

3) Again, no, outside of a handful of situations, which, as stated elsewhere, they're thrown out, most all information within the guide books are considered accurate. Just because you say it's inaccurate doesn't mean that it is inaccurate.

4) No, Goku Jr. goes up to Goku's old house in Mount Paozu, and finds the Dragon Ball there. He doesn't travel to a cemetery at all. Nothing about it contradicts what is shown in GT, because it takes place 100 years after the battle with Ii Shinlon, and right before the Budoukai with Goku and Vegeta Jr.

5) Actually, I can make a case that it is in GT's continuity. Coola appears briefly in GT as one of the villains that escaped Hell, and Sauza, Coola's henchman from movie 5, appears in movie 12 as one of the villains that escaped Hell.

6) You're doing the exact same thing though. You're saying it's wrong and inaccurate with no evidence to support it, even though there's "no guarantee" (as you said it) that the information is wrong. General rule of thumb though is that it isn't wrong unless prove otherwise.

1. wrong it's not inacurate but it's unreliable as fuck. it's funny there are far too many altered anime information when it's adapted to game so stop joking and making things up. What i stated is fact there are million of unreliable guidebook because anime adaption tend making many routes when created to game. example galge. bishoujo. There are a lot of diferent information because different route or/and outcome. so is otherwise. when making to another medium they pick route so the information would be different. sometime it's omnibus format and making things more complicated.
2. it's released as movie outside japan and it's fact it's not part of anime series episode. usually special contain filler. Filler cannot be canon
3. MOST so there are not reliable and sometime making mistakes
4. pan is at goku cemetery talking to goku. they said there are long peace but actually there are a lot of threats.
5. it's not that movie character they just similar.
6. No, you're totally wrong. You cannot state it's correct when you cannot prove it. using dubious proof or non solid proof will never reach you anything let alone can consider that as fact.

[Darkprince410]

1. wrong it's not inacurate but it's unreliable as fuck. it's funny there are far too many altered anime information when it's adapted to game so stop joking and making things up. What i stated is fact there are million of unreliable guidebook because anime adaption tend making many routes when created to game. example galge. bishoujo. There are a lot of diferent information because different route or/and outcome. so is otherwise. when making to another medium they pick route so the information would be different. sometime it's omnibus format and making things more complicated.

Why are you bringing up games? I'm not talking about a video game at all, so it makes absolutely no sense why you're randomly bringing up games at all.

2. it's released as movie outside japan and it's fact it's not part of anime series episode. usually special contain filler. Filler cannot be canon

It doesn't matter how it was released outside of Japan. It was released as a special in Japan, and without contradiction is indicated to be within the continuity of GT.

3. MOST so there are not reliable and sometime making mistakes

As in a handful of mistakes over several different books together. No information source is going to be 100% flawless and accurate, and the few erroneous issues are dismissed by the fan base.

4. pan is at goku cemetery talking to goku. they said there are long peace but actually there are a lot of threats.

She's paying her respects to him given that he's been gone for 100 years. It's not unreasonable to assume that she would have thought he was dead by then, even if he wasn't dead before then. Besides, when Goku does actually appear, he's not shown with a halo, which would support exactly what was shown at the end of GT, that he wasn't dead. Besides, without any contradiction, it shows what triggered Goku Jr's transformation into a Super Saiya-jin, which we see has happened by the final episode of GT.

5. it's not that movie character they just similar.[/quote

No, they're clearly the characters indicated. Everything about the designs point to Coola being in GT, and Sauza being in movie 12. Throwaway characters they may be, but they still appeared all the same.

6. No, you're totally wrong. You cannot state it's correct when you cannot prove it. using dubious proof or non solid proof will never reach you anything let alone can consider that as fact.

You need to prove why it's incorrect. General rule of thumb with the guide books is that the information is valid unless proven otherwise, and nothing contradicts Ssj Vegetto being potentially stronger than Ssj4 Goku, so it's not invalid information.

[GTX]

1. wrong it's not inacurate but it's unreliable as fuck. it's funny there are far too many altered anime information when it's adapted to game so stop joking and making things up. What i stated is fact there are million of unreliable guidebook because anime adaption tend making many routes when created to game. example galge. bishoujo. There are a lot of diferent information because different route or/and outcome. so is otherwise. when making to another medium they pick route so the information would be different. sometime it's omnibus format and making things more complicated.

Why are you bringing up games? I'm not talking about a video game at all, so it makes absolutely no sense why you're randomly bringing up games at all.

2. it's released as movie outside japan and it's fact it's not part of anime series episode. usually special contain filler. Filler cannot be canon

It doesn't matter how it was released outside of Japan. It was released as a special in Japan, and without contradiction is indicated to be within the continuity of GT.

3. MOST so there are not reliable and sometime making mistakes

As in a handful of mistakes over several different books together. No information source is going to be 100% flawless and accurate, and the few erroneous issues are dismissed by the fan base.

4. pan is at goku cemetery talking to goku. they said there are long peace but actually there are a lot of threats.

She's paying her respects to him given that he's been gone for 100 years. It's not unreasonable to assume that she would have thought he was dead by then, even if he wasn't dead before then. Besides, when Goku does actually appear, he's not shown with a halo, which would support exactly what was shown at the end of GT, that he wasn't dead. Besides, without any contradiction, it shows what triggered Goku Jr's transformation into a Super Saiya-jin, which we see has happened by the final episode of GT.

5. it's not that movie character they just similar.[/quote

No, they're clearly the characters indicated. Everything about the designs point to Coola being in GT, and Sauza being in movie 12. Throwaway characters they may be, but they still appeared all the same.

6. No, you're totally wrong. You cannot state it's correct when you cannot prove it. using dubious proof or non solid proof will never reach you anything let alone can consider that as fact.

You need to prove why it's incorrect. General rule of thumb with the guide books is that the information is valid unless proven otherwise, and nothing contradicts Ssj Vegetto being potentially stronger than Ssj4 Goku, so it's not invalid information.

special is usually filler

I think everything already been explained and answered by me. You sure like to copy paste your question again and again.

[Darkprince410]

special is usually filler

I think everything already been explained and answered by me. You sure like to copy paste your question again and again.

Except that you didn't explain or answer anything of the sort, for if you had, I wouldn't continue bringing up the points you're not responding to. A special is only contradicted if there is content that is otherwise contradicting it, and in the GT special's case, there is no such content contradicting it. The guide books are accurate unless the information is proven otherwise, and in those few erroneous situations, that particular information is thrown out, but in the case of Vegetto and Ssj4 Goku, nothing contradicts Vegetto being that strong. Likewise, you never explained why you kept making reference to video games when nothing about what I mentioned had anything to do with games at all.

If you choose to ignore the guide books, that's your prerogative. However, that doesn't invalidate that they're an accurate source of information that should be used when it comes to debates or arguments.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

fat janemba cannot exist in any timeline and non canon as fuck. why should we care something random fanfiction.

Canon or continuity is irrelevant here. I'm talking about how the sentence "He has the strongest ki I have ever felt!" was used, and we have one case here where Goku wasn't including himself when he made that statement.

Or because goku state his combat form ki. his very fat ass body cannot fit to use the ki properly or even to move properly or his fat ass body merely shell. Or the ki is magic and special cannot be measured correctly. or in normal state he cannot defeat it but goku already dead the ki consumption is low so he can achieve higher ki. Or probably just mistranslation in english word. Or the script writer is sleepy or simply making mistakes.

Or, Goku wasn't including himself both against base Janenba & Super Baby 1, which means that Super Vegetto can be as strong or stronger than SS4 Goku, which is entirely possible. You can ignore it if you don't like it, but you can't say it's wrong.

REmember the only way to kill janemba is by fusion. it's also fact goku cannot kill/ defeat janemba by his own power.

That was Super Janenba. SS3 Goku was obviously much stronger than base Janenba.

[GTX]

fat janemba cannot exist in any timeline and non canon as fuck. why should we care something random fanfiction.

Canon or continuity is irrelevant here. I'm talking about how the sentence "He has the strongest ki I have ever felt!" was used, and we have one case here where Goku wasn't including himself when he made that statement.
He include himself obviously because it's fact he can feel/sense his ki

Or because goku state his combat form ki. his very fat ass body cannot fit to use the ki properly or even to move properly or his fat ass body merely shell. Or the ki is magic and special cannot be measured correctly. or in normal state he cannot defeat it but goku already dead the ki consumption is low so he can achieve higher ki. Or probably just mistranslation in english word. Or the script writer is sleepy or simply making mistakes.

Or, Goku wasn't including himself both against base Janenba & Super Baby 1, which means that Super Vegetto can be as strong or stronger than SS4 Goku, which is entirely possible. You can ignore it if you don't like it, but you can't say it's wrong.

REmember the only way to kill janemba is by fusion. it's also fact goku cannot kill/ defeat janemba by his own power.

That was Super Janenba. SS3 Goku was obviously much stronger than base Janenba.

Oh well but i have already answered it too.

Or because goku state his combat form ki. his very fat ass body cannot fit to use the ki properly or even to move properly or his fat ass body merely shell. Or the ki is magic and special cannot be measured correctly. or in normal state he cannot defeat it but goku already dead the ki consumption is low so he can achieve higher ki. Or probably just mistranslation in english word. Or the script writer is sleepy or simply making mistakes.

5. goku can feel his ki before. he know when he is getting stronger and he can manipulate it. you cannot manipulate ki without felling your ki. You don't know you're stronger or weaker than other without knowing your ki and/or comparing it with yours.

[Darkprince410]

Oh well but i have already answered it too.

Or because goku state his combat form ki. his very fat ass body cannot fit to use the ki properly or even to move properly or his fat ass body merely shell. Or the ki is magic and special cannot be measured correctly. or in normal state he cannot defeat it but goku already dead the ki consumption is low so he can achieve higher ki. Or probably just mistranslation in english word. Or the script writer is sleepy or simply making mistakes.

1) Ki has been time and again indicated to be something unrelated to magic

2) Why would he make a comment about his normal state if he's dead at the time. Besides, ki consumption would be irrelevant if Janemba were stronger than he was, since that'd still mean that Goku couldn't beat him.

3) Nothing indicates that Janemba's body, despite its size and appearance, has any impact on his ki usage.

4) Not a mistranslation, as that is how it appears in the original dialogue as well.

5) Or perhaps, rather than being a lazy script writer, it just proves Goku doesn't factor in his own power when making such comments.

As such, the facts of the matter are simple. Goku said Janemba was the strongest ki he ever sensed, then easily and quickly took him out with Super Saiya-jin 3. Without any random, unsupported excuses on the subject, the only way this works is that Goku didn't take himself into consideration.

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Oh well but i have already answered it too.

Or because goku state his combat form ki. his very fat ass body cannot fit to use the ki properly or even to move properly or his fat ass body merely shell. Or the ki is magic and special cannot be measured correctly. or in normal state he cannot defeat it but goku already dead the ki consumption is low so he can achieve higher ki. Or probably just mistranslation in english word. Or the script writer is sleepy or simply making mistakes.

1) Ki has been time and again indicated to be something unrelated to magic

2) Why would he make a comment about his normal state if he's dead at the time. Besides, ki consumption would be irrelevant if Janemba were stronger than he was, since that'd still mean that Goku couldn't beat him.

3) Nothing indicates that Janemba's body, despite its size and appearance, has any impact on his ki usage.

4) Not a mistranslation, as that is how it appears in the original dialogue as well.

5) Or perhaps, rather than being a lazy script writer, it just proves Goku doesn't factor in his own power when making such comments.

Janemba ki is magic because janemba ki can alter reality. The rest has been explained before

Why should i even care about and that is not even canon material. GT is not even a book let alone a game.
!. why must i care something that is random dubious and not even official sequel or officially related.
2. why must i care something that contradict the original material.
3. why must i care something that is not even same medium as the original story material ( GT anime )
4. why must i care something that cannot fit in or cannot exist in db series.
5.why must i care something when the manga already stated that baby second form is the strongest ki he has ever felt.
There are many reasons to disregard this random guidebook that i don't know about.

I don't like debating dubious proof over and over, i'm busy . Why don't you just wait toriyama to say it himself. Eventhough i think it's enough

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Oh well but i have already answered it too.

Do you have any proof for any of this? From what I saw, Goku's "He has the strongest ki I have ever felt!" meant that he was the strongest opponent he had ever faced, meaning that he wasn't including himself. He said this, turned into a Super Saiyan 3, and kicked Janenba's fat ass. He can feel his ki, but this doesn't mean that he has to include himself in that statement. And apparently, he didn't.