Fans of FUNI Unite!

[Duo]

FUNi brings me cheap DVD's with decent video quality and Mr. Simmons masterful work.

In regards to the dub, it is the only FUNimation released Anime I know of that isn't pushing perfect. I felt like Dragonball Z/GT got stuck with some demented script writers (clearly having nothing to do with what I've heard of the Dragonball dub), and the curse of popularity making Gen Fukunaga want music royalties (thus, new music). It also seemed like their testing show for new VA's for them to practice, because many of the VA's give subpar performances but become much better later. Even Eric Vales debut was pretty bad, and need I bring up Chris Sabat's Vegeta? His first season was pretty awful.

Dragonball was the first at everything for them, more or less, so they make/made all their mistakes with it in order to improve all their other Anime's, I guess. Most of the Voice Cast isn't bad, they just needed a season or two to get good at their work and some of them really don't suit the original voices that well, but that's no big deal compared to the script writers.

I know that even after I became devoted to the Japanese version I didn't mind the Dub voices in Budokai 3 (non GH) because the performing was good, so was the script, as well as the music. I pick the JP version in the GH version, but I still wouldn't much mind the Dub voices if I had to.

So I have opinions and all, but overall, it just comes down to my first sentence.

[Lavender Saiyan]

Well... their most recent release, "First Strike" was terrible for movies 2 and 3, especially 3...

The music wasn't Faulconer's and was terrible... and then the acting wasn't upto their regular par, and the script... something was wrong with the script.... Goku and Tullece were not struck from molds...

Acctually I do agree with you about the Movie 3 Dub, the lines were terrible for some reason.

[Maphisto86]

*sigh* Well since our admin has decided to leave this thread open for now I'm going to pose a question instead of making a thread about it. Since many of you seem to like the Ocean dub and it was the first english dub most of us where introduced to, is there any DVD uncut releases? Iv'e searched high and low but nothing comes up. I'm sure this has been asked before. It seems that this dub was only released for television. It stopped airing here in Ontario quite awhile ago (and acutally I haven't seen much Dragonball lately)but I suspect it may be available in British Columbia or other provinces.

P.S. Once again I apologize for this useless thread .

[nathantheguitarist]

There's lots with the American Ocean dub, not too sure with the rest of the Ocean dub after the Namek Saga... but here's links to those American ones.


For DVD

Saiyan Saga/Conflict Episodes 1-25
(You can look for the singles if you want, amazon has em)
Namek Saga Episodes 26-53
(Again, there are singles)
Movies (Boxset of 1-3)
Dead Zone
World's Strongest
Tree of Might


For VHS

Saiyan Saga/Conflict Episodes 1-25
(WATCH THIS LISTING OFTEN! I was able to snag this set BRAND-SPANKING-NEW for 25 bucks , and I remember seeing a lot more copies after I bought it; I'm not too sure why there is only one expensive copy there now, though O_o)
Namek Saga Episodes 26-53
(Not too sure about singles, but I think they're there)
Movies (Boxset of 1-3)
Dead Zone
World's Strongest
Tree of Might

*Note: All of the episodes are edited and cut, and the movies are uncut in damn near every way, except the subtitles on the dvd's suck

[Duo]

*sigh* Well since our admin has decided to leave this thread open for now I'm going to pose a question instead of making a thread about it. Since many of you seem to like the Ocean dub and it was the first english dub most of us where introduced to, is there any DVD uncut releases? Iv'e searched high and low but nothing comes up. I'm sure this has been asked before. It seems that this dub was only released for television. It stopped airing here in Ontario quite awhile ago (and acutally I haven't seen much Dragonball lately)but I suspect it may be available in British Columbia or other provinces.

P.S. Once again I apologize for this useless thread .

The edited TV Version with no Japanese track or subtitles was available for all aired episodes until the UUE started, at which point they stopped being produced. No uncut verions of this dub ever existed...just the first 3 movies, with mostly accurate scripts and no visual edits at all.

[Kendamu]

If by "fans of FUNi" you mean "fans of the first three DBZ movies with Ocean Group acting, original music, fullscreen, and no visual edits" then I'm all for this thread!

Otherwise, FUNi can shove it.

[Maphisto86]

There's lots with the American Ocean dub, not too sure with the rest of the Ocean dub after the Namek Saga... but here's links to those American ones.


For DVD

Saiyan Saga/Conflict Episodes 1-25
(You can look for the singles if you want, amazon has em)
Namek Saga Episodes 26-53
(Again, there are singles)
Movies (Boxset of 1-3)
Dead Zone
World's Strongest
Tree of Might


For VHS

Saiyan Saga/Conflict Episodes 1-25
(WATCH THIS LISTING OFTEN! I was able to snag this set BRAND-SPANKING-NEW for 25 bucks , and I remember seeing a lot more copies after I bought it; I'm not too sure why there is only one expensive copy there now, though O_o)
Namek Saga Episodes 26-53
(Not too sure about singles, but I think they're there)
Movies (Boxset of 1-3)
Dead Zone
World's Strongest
Tree of Might

*Note: All of the episodes are edited and cut, and the movies are uncut in damn near every way, except the subtitles on the dvd's suck

Hmmm... sadly that is the case. I know Ocean group in Canada did the rest of the series as well Dragonball and Dragonball GT. Unless one can find them on the internet there is not much chance to view them it seems... Would have been interesting to see how they did the rest of the series. Thanks for the links Nathan.

EDIT: It seems different studios along with Ocean group completed the Dragonball series. I geuss this might not be new to some but I was confused over the different studio names. I'm not quite sure whether it was Ocean group itself that completed the rest of the Freeza saga onward. Blue Water Studios did Dragonball and DBGT for Canada, The Netherlands and the UK. One thing is for sure it had some of the same voice actors from the beginning. Scott McNeil (who does a great Piccolo) and Brian Drummond being the most notable.

[Tenken]

I must concur: The first three movies dubbed by Ocean with the original music owns your ass! I see no need to replace them -the dub is excellent!

[nathantheguitarist]

Hmmm... sadly that is the case. I know Ocean group in Canada did the rest of the series as well Dragonball and Dragonball GT. Unless one can find them on the internet there is not much chance to view them it seems... Would have been interesting to see how they did the rest of the series. Thanks for the links Nathan.

One of my friends sent me 3 episodes of the "Bluewater" dub of Dragonball GT. Now as far as I know, "Bluewater" was just another name or renaming or something of the Ocean dub. And I can tell you this, they completely changed the voices, too very terrible, bad actors... with stupid voices... (The Vegeta voice makes Sabat look like God) And the script is quite different from FUNi's DBGT; I'm not too sure if the script is accurate, because I haven't had the chance to see any of GT in Japanese. BUT they left the original music and ending theme (not sure about Dan Dan, it isnt on the file ), and even the original episode titles: FUNimation's title = #46 - Raising the Stakes. Bluewater title = The Fierce Battle Between the Super-Saiyan 4 Hoku and Super-Android 17!.
So it's an okay dub in terms of overall "Uncutness", but the voices are terrible and makes it hard to watch... if you think FUNimation's voices are bad, you haven't heard bad until you've seen this dub

One thing is for sure it had some of the same voice actors from the beginning. Scott McNeil (who does a great Piccolo) and Brian Drummond being the most notable.

I'm not for sure about Scott McNeil, but I know for sure Vegeta IS NOT Brian Drummond in the Blue Water GT Dub.

[Maphisto86]

So it's an okay dub in terms of overall "Uncutness", but the voices are terrible and makes it hard to watch... if you think FUNimation's voices are bad, you haven't heard bad until you've seen this dub

Well I don't but I think I know what you mean... . Not that I care too much for DBGT anyhow. Just Dragonball-Z which is very hard to find in it's entirety by Ocean group/Bluewater studios (it's all Greek to me). I personally like the Ocean dub as well. My only gripe about it is some of the dub actors for Goku where not so good and it was not uncut. I think I became biased against Ocean group for awhile because of the immense amount of censoring in the beginning of DBZ.

Finding the whole series by these studios is like finding the holy grail. My geuss is to find it on the internet in it's entirety. Sadly that's the case since I'm sure FUNImation has the rights to distribute in North America. I only have a few scenes Iv'e seen on Youtube but that is all.

[nathantheguitarist]

I think that they only dubbed it for TV... so maybe there isn't anywhere to find it... but I think that they change the voices a lot through out the series

[Majin Buu]

I'm gonna shift gears for a bit and comment on the original topic:

While I do acknowledge that Funimation has dubbed many other anime respectfully and have themselves become a respectable anime dubbing company, I think the people that hate the DBZ dub have every right to complain about it as most of those complaints are justified. It's just a bad dub job.

I myself still hate what they did to Dragonball Z and will always disdainly remember all the lame humor and dialogue they put in, the horrible mischaracterizations (for instance, turning characters like Kuririn and Fat Buu into annoying versions of themselves and let's not even go into Freeza), the bland voice acting (not the Ocean Group's, they were great), and especially the replacement of the spectacular original music with Bruce Falconer's average stuff (the music is one of my favorite aspects of the original DBZ). I share Tenken's sentiment that the replacement of the music was probably the biggest problem with the dub. I just don't think that Funi should have altered as of the show as they did.

[aarondirebear]

Just continue to ignore aarondirebear's troll-esque comments when it comes to FUNimation. I could embarass him with the asinine PM I got from him with a tirade on supporting bootlegs against the evil empire, but whatever... I'll take the classy route. If and when he finally crosses the line, he'll be gone, and life will continue on as normal..

Oh? so I express my strong beliefs and it makes me a troll?
Then that makes you a nazi!
I am NOT trolling I am speaking my beliefs!
And youw ant me to be ignored? Do you hate dissent or something? Do you want to see any opinion contrary to your own silenced?

I'll beat you to the punch with the PM, mister "I'm the world's rudest and most immature webmaster"!


Before anybody jumps on me, I use the term "pussy" to mean "fraidy-cat" not the other meaning.

"aarondirebear wrote:
Wait i thought real fans were supposed to get the real deal illegally and refuse to support nazis like funimation.
Isnt that the whole point of having a fansite?
What did Chris Psaros start all those years ago if we are to become a bunch of sellout pussies and give in to the demands of the evil tyrants that rape our anime?

Buy some R2s. I did.

In conclusion, blow me."

Oh Blow me? How mature of you. I express my convictions as a true anime fan and you tell me to blow you. Oh yes thats real mature, sir. And what the devil is an R2?

But please, can we stop defending Funimation on the grounds that they've managed to not royally screw up a handful of properties? It's not exactly in their credit that they can be handed a brand new show, stamp their logo on it, and re-release to the masses when all the work's been done for them. If the Dragonball property has taught us anything, it's that when Funimation has to do anything for themselves they fuck it up, and badly.

My sentiments exactly, but when I try to express such sentiments I tend to become very pasisonate.

[Magica]

Meh. Just be happy we even get DBZ here, but that's my opinion. :p

[Super Sonic]

Meh. Just be happy we even get DBZ here, but that's my opinion. :p

Exactly. We're never gonna get Sailor Stars. At least all of DB was seen on TV in this country.

Also remember Chris Psaros got several things wrong due to his not watching DB.

[Kendamu]

I can't just "be happy that we got it at all"... If such were the case then I'd simply buy any random thing that had the words "Dragonball Z" as the label. Settling for less than the real deal tells anime companies like FUNi that they can be lazy and do whatever they want with the properties they license and distribute because we'll shell money out for it anyway.

[Gouki*]

Loved the majority of the Ocean Cast, and a couple of voices from Funimations cast (for example, while not perfect, Mirai Trunks, Juunanagou and Juuhachigou). Otherwise, not so much.

[Kirbopher]

Yanno, one of the big reasons that Z and GT were "fucked up", is because of the Producer/Director at the time: Barry Watson. Justin Cook, who eventually took over him in prettymuch every sense of the way, has done a FANTASTIC replacement job for their adaptations. Good producer and line producer, good director, good voice actor. Give THIS guy some praise, trust me.

Now, the reason I think FUNimation is, even now, "continuing" Barry Watson's "vision" of the show in the form we've had it in for so long, with the various amounts of changes from the original version, is because it's sort of what people over here are USED to. Not unlike the Pokemon example I used a while back, I have never heard ANYONE over on this side bother making the "HIS NAME ISN'T BOWSER, IT'S KUPPA DAIMAO!" argument. Ever. Period. I've never heard anyone, aside from the big fans of the original, such as on this forum of course, call Kuririn...well, Kuririn. I always hear "Kuririn". I think the feel that their "version" of the show has been so generally prevalent for so many years now, that it's become just a normal thing for everyone in the US, and thus they don't bother messing with what they've messed with, for lack of better term.

Also, from the Mike himself, quite a long time ago in fact:

No matter what you think of the original dub and its censoring, the story remains intact enough for you to have watched the rest of the series with no problem.

The same can easily be said for what state they've reached by this point in time.

[Timo]

Fans of FUNi Unite!




SCNR!

[Maphisto86]

Fans of FUNi Unite!




SCNR!

Oh GOD! That brings back sad memories.... damn that was a horrible show. I can just hear Ted Turner now.... "CAPTAIN PLANET!!!". Now let's continue to shoot our wounded...

P.S. Actually the title I had chose for the thread was more of a Marxist reference but take your pick.