Most memorable BS dub lines / names

[Gyt Kaliba]

No biggie, heh. My own memory is usually so faulty, I'm never really surprised anymore when it turns out I'm either remembering something wrong, or just supplementing it in my own head.

It's times like these that I ask myself, "Why didn't I become a shoe salesman?"

Married (with Children) and a shoe salesman - who knew that Krillin's dream was always to become Al Bundy?

[Lord Exor]

What "posh and erudite" mannerisms are you referring to exactly? You keep citing them, but their placement and exact form seems nebulous.

You keep alluding to creator intent on both sides when posing your argument, which I feel isn't germane to the topic. First of all, we don't know what FUNimation's writers were thinking exactly when drafting those lines; second, Toriyama's vision for Freeza is immaterial here since we're talking about a reversion that's subjectively better or worse. Compare both versions on their own merits.

Look at the way Freeza moves and walks and the way he holds his arms behind his back. He also rarely does his own dirty work, he leaves it for his underlings. It's beneath him, or so he feels.

Toriyama's intent isn't imaterial, it's his story. Okay, FUNi's version on its own merits is garbage. It's not interesting, it's not threatening, it's childish, and completely detracts from such a great character. We can gather that FUNi's writers constantly wrote cheesy lines for the characters, not merely Freeza, so the idea that they did it to make him more threatening is false. They did it to beef up the comedy. That has been explicitly stated by FUNi execs.

As for bad dub lines, there's one that I find memorable that no one else seems to. There's an exchange between the tournament announcer and Goku before the final 8 determine the brackets where Goku and the announcer talk about his nice suit. It's VERY uncharacteristic of Goku.

It's his story, but he licensed it to FUNimation, and that agreement never stipulated that it inexorably observe his authorial intent (so much as it is, given his propensity for spontaneity). Instead, the license granted FUNimation the latitude to do with it as they saw fit, and I and many others see it as a superior incarnation. You insist on deeming it inferior, as if it's axiomatic truth, and this is most likely symptomatic of your many years as a member of a majority group on this forum--a forum that insists on strident proselytism.

If you see the dialogue as childish, then so be it. I admit that at times it can appear that way, but I personally believe the dialogue is mostly successful in establishing an abominable mood dissonance. Again, I'm not the only one that feels this way.

I won't contest your take on Frieza's body language, but at the same time none of that inherently disagrees with Linda's performance.

Oh and one more thing: Just to be absolutely clear, none of my opinions are formed based on a nostalgic attachment to my initial viewing of the material. As a child, I wasn't particularly taken with Frieza, being fonder of Cell in his imperfect form. It wasn't until I rediscovered the series as an adult did my appreciation for Frieza--the dub Frieza--truly blossom. He was the biggest jerk in the series, with his--to quote someone on Behind the Voice Actors--"sadistic asshole remarks" doing well to cultivate that image. Only Dr. Gero came close with his trollish "I cleared the area of innocents in accordance with your wishes. Do you disagree with my methods?"

[fadeddreams5]

Only Dr. Gero came close with his trollish "I cleared the area of innocents in accordance with your wishes. Do you disagree with my methods?"

I loved that bit of dialogue.

[ABED]

If you see the dialogue as childish, then so be it. I admit that at times it can appear that way, but I personally believe the dialogue is mostly successful in establishing an abominable mood dissonance. Again, I'm not the only one that feels this way.

I don't agree that it was in any way successful, it's par for the course and every single character spouts cheesy lines so it doesn't establish character at all.

You insist on deeming it inferior, as if it's axiomatic truth, and this is most likely symptomatic of your many years as a member of a majority group on this forum--a forum that insists on strident proselytism.

I've only been on this forum for a few years, and I've been of this opinion for far more. Maybe it was my age when I saw the dub, but I couldn't help but groan at the numerous terrible lines that I disliked even as an 11 year old when I first saw the series. I don't want it to stay close MERELY because I prefer that adaptations of the anime stick to the source material, I think it is leaps and bounds better than the dub because of the numerous reasons found in this thread alone. It's not as though we are disussing an adaptation of a book to the screen. The animation has already been created, the dub shouldn't be reshaping the story. I would not be so quick as to form an opinion about why i like the things i do. I enjoy the dub, though the dub of Kai. Z doesn't get better until towards the end and even then it goes from an F to a C, C+ at most. I prefer the Kai dub to Japanese Kai because I think it's better. Maybe it's just in comparison to both shows' previous efforts, but it's how i feel.

I won't contest your take on Freeza's body language, but at the same time none of that inherently disagrees with Linda's performance.

I think it does, none of what Freeza does lends itself to a villain that comes on to the hero. "We could've been so good together." Oy with the poodles already.

[precita]

Why does the narrator say, "The young emperor Chiaotzu" when he's brought back to life in the last Freeza saga episode?

Chiaotzu was never an emperor in the anime...the first time we see him in Dragonball he's with Tien and they never go into his backstory aside from both training with the Crane hermit.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I want to say that's likely a hold over from them working on the DB movie 3 dub, where Chaozu is very much a young emperor, but I'm not entirely sure on the timeframe of when FUNi would have put out the dub of that movie...I know DB movie 2 was their first in-house production, prior even to season three, but how much longer after that did they put out Mystical Adventure?

[ABED]

Why does the narrator say, "The young emperor Chiaotzu" when he's brought back to life in the last Freeza saga episode?<br abp="685"><br abp="686">Chiaotzu was never an emperor in the anime...the first time we see him in Dragonball he's with Tenshinhan and they never go into his backstory aside from both training with the Crane hermit.

He was in movie 3 and maybe when they were doing their "research" someone happened upon that and thought that was part of the series.

I want to say that's likely a hold over from them working on the DB movie 3 dub

The movie 3 dub didn't come out until I think 2001.

[Sandubadear]

Yep, it's the same reason as to why they say "General Tao". Tao Pai Pai is the general of Mifan Army in Mystical Adventure, and Chaozu is the emperor.

[precita]

In the first Garlic Jr. saga episode after Gohan sees Krillin in his white suit for the first time, Gohan says something like, "Nice Humphrey Bogart impression!"

Everytime they mention real-life people in this show it makes my head spin. What were they thinking?

Its also too bad Master Roshi's voice in these episodes is an imitation of the Ocean voice, rather than being the definitive FUNI Roshi voice he used in the Dragonball dub and by the Buu saga of DBZ. Roshi has a slight southern accent in these Season 3 episodes and it bothers me.

[Lord Exor]

If you see the dialogue as childish, then so be it. I admit that at times it can appear that way, but I personally believe the dialogue is mostly successful in establishing an abominable mood dissonance. Again, I'm not the only one that feels this way.

I don't agree that it was in any way successful, it's par for the course and every single character spouts cheesy lines so it doesn't establish character at all.

You insist on deeming it inferior, as if it's axiomatic truth, and this is most likely symptomatic of your many years as a member of a majority group on this forum--a forum that insists on strident proselytism.

I've only been on this forum for a few years, and I've been of this opinion for far more. Maybe it was my age when I saw the dub, but I couldn't help but groan at the numerous terrible lines that I disliked even as an 11 year old when I first saw the series. I don't want it to stay close MERELY because I prefer that adaptations of the anime stick to the source material, I think it is leaps and bounds better than the dub because of the numerous reasons found in this thread alone. It's not as though we are disussing an adaptation of a book to the screen. The animation has already been created, the dub shouldn't be reshaping the story. I would not be so quick as to form an opinion about why i like the things i do. I enjoy the dub, though the dub of Kai. Z doesn't get better until towards the end and even then it goes from an F to a C, C+ at most. I prefer the Kai dub to Japanese Kai because I think it's better. Maybe it's just in comparison to both shows' previous efforts, but it's how i feel.

I won't contest your take on Freeza's body language, but at the same time none of that inherently disagrees with Linda's performance.

I think it does, none of what Freeza does lends itself to a villain that comes on to the hero. "We could've been so good together." Oy with the poodles already.

I never said anything about why you enjoy the things you do, merely that your're comfortable stating your opinions as incontrovertible fact given that you participate in a community that mostly shares your beliefs.

The frequency of the so-called "corny lines" mouthed by characters is overstated, and many of them were rewritten for the Remastered sets, i.e. "...easier than coloring inside the lines."

"Oh Piccolo, wake up it's time for school." This was another line dropped by the redub.

[ABED]

I never said anything about why you enjoy the things you do, merely that your're comfortable stating your opinions as incontrovertible fact given that you participate in a community that mostly shares your beliefs.

It is a fact that Freeza is written as a posh erudite gentleman. It's when he gets upset that the mask slips. That's not opinion, that's how he was written. I'm comfortable stating my opinions anywhere, I'd just much rather be around like minded people.

The frequency of the so-called "corny lines" mouthed by characters is overstated, and many of them were rewritten for the Remastered sets, i.e. "...easier than coloring inside the lines."

Sadly it's not overstated, and that line was in the season 3 dub, unless you mean they were written out of the remastered sets. That doesn't matter, it's still a part of the dub's history. I'm not sure how many were rewritten, but it's still chockfull of terrible dialog.

[precita]

Yeah I just watched the updated Season 3 dub, Vegeta's "coloring inside the lines" dialogue is gone. They also removed Vegeta's "Bad boys! How dare you!" line when Gohan/Krillin make the wish to Porunga while Vegeta is sleeping.

And yet they kept stupid lines like, "Mondo cool" and didn't remove them. I don't get why they removed some corny dialogue yet kept others. Especially since both Krillin and Vegeta re-recorded their voices so that stuff could have been altered.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

That's pretty much FUNi in a nutshell. When they're something right they're still doing it wrong.

[Lord Exor]

Of all the things to grouse over, "mondo cool" seems very petty.

[precita]

Finished watching the Garlic Jr. saga, and Garlic Jr. makes a whole bunch of baseball references. I can't be bothered to check the original but I'm guessing saying things like, "It's the bottom of the 9th!" and "Strike three, you're out!" and "Here's the pitch!" as he's fighting Piccolo are all FUNi stuff. How would Garlic Jr. know about a sport from Earth anyway?

Also he had a line, "A good Namek doesn't die, he just fades away!" For some reason I feel like I heard that somewhere else. Did Freeza have a line like that too?

[Lord Exor]

Finished watching the Garlic Jr. saga, and Garlic Jr. makes a whole bunch of baseball references. I can't be bothered to check the original but I'm guessing saying things like, "It's the bottom of the 9th!" and "Strike three, you're out!" and "Here's the pitch!" as he's fighting Piccolo are all FUNi stuff. How would Garlic Jr. know about a sport from Earth anyway?

Also he had a line, "A good Namek doesn't die, he just fades away!" For some reason I feel like I heard that somewhere else. Did Freeza have a line like that too?

No, Frieza never said anything of the sort.

[jcogginsa]

Finished watching the Garlic Jr. saga, and Garlic Jr. makes a whole bunch of baseball references. I can't be bothered to check the original but I'm guessing saying things like, "It's the bottom of the 9th!" and "Strike three, you're out!" and "Here's the pitch!" as he's fighting Piccolo are all FUNi stuff. How would Garlic Jr. know about a sport from Earth anyway?

Also he had a line, "A good Namek doesn't die, he just fades away!" For some reason I feel like I heard that somewhere else. Did Freeza have a line like that too?

he has lived on the planet for most of his life, did he not?

[ABED]

Of all the things to grouse over, "mondo cool" seems very petty.

It's indicative of that entire season. I would agree with your point IF that was one of only a few questionable to terrible lines of dialog, but it's not.

[Gaffer Tape]

Also he had a line, "A good Namek doesn't die, he just fades away!" For some reason I feel like I heard that somewhere else. Did Freeza have a line like that too?

No, Freeza did not. It probably sounds familiar because it's another real-world reference. The line "old soldiers never die... they simply fade away" is from a World War I army song (which itself is a riff on a hymn), and that particular line was further popularized by General Douglas MacArthur paraphrasing it in his farewell address to Congress in 1951. Because of that, it fell into the pop culture vernacular.

[precita]

Also they weirdly have Vegeta say "Goku" instead of Kakarot in one of the Captain Ginyu episodes. I'm pretty sure that's an error because I don't think Vegeta ever calls him by Goku especially in his thoughts.