Question about wishes/deaths at the end of the Freeza saga

[precita]

When everyone wants to wish Krillin (and they think Goku) back to life, King Kai tells them the dragon would revive them on Namek which doesn't exist anymore since that's where they died, so they would come back to life and then die in the vaccume of space. Obviously later they decide to wish Krillin to Earth's check-in station to King Yemma before bringing him back to Earth.

But that doesn't make sense to me. When Goku and Piccolo were wished back to life with the Dragonballs, they didn't immediately get transported to Earth. We saw them still standing on King Kai's planet just with the halo disappearing. Goku then had to run along Snake Way back to Earth, instead of appearing where he died against Radditz. Likewise Piccolo didn't materialize back to Earth either where Nappa killed him, he was still on King Kai's planet before they transport him to Namek with another wish.

And again, at the end of the arc when Yamcha, Tien, and Chiatozu are brought back to life, they're immediately teleported right in front of them. They didn't have to run across Snake Way like Goku did back to King Yemma.

So why is it sometimes the dragon teleports them back to life immediately and other times not? Is this a plothole or am I missing something here?

[VegettoEX]

Goku and Piccolo (along with Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chiaotzu) all got special permission to keep their bodies in the afterlife during their training with Kaio.

Kuririn did not. His was a "normal" death in that his body was destroyed and that was that. There's your key difference.

I'm with you, though, on why or why not Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chiaotzu would have had to travel back on their own and/or just be teleported straight back upon re-life status. Maybe something was stated in the series, but I can't remember.

[successoroffate]

Goku and Piccolo (along with Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chiaotzu) all got special permission to keep their bodies in the afterlife during their training with Kaio.

Kuririn did not. His was a "normal" death in that his body was destroyed and that was that. There's your key difference.

I'm with you, though, on why or why not Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chiaotzu would have had to travel back on their own and/or just be teleported straight back upon re-life status. Maybe something was stated in the series, but I can't remember.

Wasn't Chiaotzu, Tenshinhan and Yamcha's adventures on Kai's planet filler?

[VegettoEX]

Their expanded antics with the Ginyu Special Force was filler, yeah, but that's absolutely where they are and they're shown there in the manga.

[jjgp1112]

Goku and Piccolo (along with Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chiaotzu) all got special permission to keep their bodies in the afterlife during their training with Kaio.

Kuririn did not. His was a "normal" death in that his body was destroyed and that was that. There's your key difference.

I'm with you, though, on why or why not Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chiaotzu would have had to travel back on their own and/or just be teleported straight back upon re-life status. Maybe something was stated in the series, but I can't remember.

Wasn't Chiaotzu, Tenshinhan and Yamcha's adventures on Kai's planet filler?

The actual adventures we see are filler, but they did travel to King Kai's planet in the manga.

To answer the OP's question, I think that's a case of the anime being sloppy and forgetting previously established rules - we don't actually see Yamcha and co. transporting back in the manga, just narration that they were wished back. So we can assume that they did end up traveling back via Snake Way.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku won't be at check-in station yet if he did die on Namek. So if he was brought back then he would be teleported on where old Namek once was.

[precita]

That's what I don't get, howcome when some characters die they're immediately in the line at King Yemma, but other times characters died and they're like in limbo?

For example when Vegeta came back to life in the Freeza saga, he had no memory of anything that happened after his death. Its like he died and that was the end of him, he didn't appear in the afterlife at all. That's why when he woke up on Namek he didn't realize he was alive, he thought he WAS dead.

I also remember they said the humans Nappa killed on Earth were floating in limbo for eternity and didn't go into the afterlife.

[VegettoEX]

That's what I don't get, howcome when some characters die they're immediately in the line at King Yemma, but other times characters died and they're like in limbo?

For example when Vegeta came back to life in the Freeza saga, he had no memory of anything that happened after his death. Its like he died and that was the end of him, he didn't appear in the afterlife at all. That's why when he woke up on Namek he didn't realize he was alive, he thought he WAS dead.

Because, as mentioned with Kuririn above, Vegeta wasn't given his body in the afterlife. His entire sense of self ceased to be when he was killed.

[jjgp1112]

That's what I don't get, howcome when some characters die they're immediately in the line at King Yemma, but other times characters died and they're like in limbo?

For example when Vegeta came back to life in the Freeza saga, he had no memory of anything that happened after his death. Its like he died and that was the end of him, he didn't appear in the afterlife at all. That's why when he woke up on Namek he didn't realize he was alive, he thought he WAS dead.

Because, as mentioned with Kuririn above, Vegeta wasn't given his body in the afterlife. His entire sense of self ceased to be when he was killed.

And not to mention, he undoubtedly wound up in hell, where as Piccolo said, your spirit gets cleansed completely. So even if someone retains their memories from when they were a ghost in the afterlife, in the case of Vegeta it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

What I'm wondering is why they didn't simply wish Planet Namek back. That would also have saved the Namekians the trouble of having to find a new home.

[precita]

What I'm wondering is why they didn't simply wish Planet Namek back. That would also have saved the Namekians the trouble of having to find a new home.

I also find it amusing the new planet Namek looks exactly the same as the first one with the same landscape, trees and everything.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

What I'm wondering is why they didn't simply wish Planet Namek back. That would also have saved the Namekians the trouble of having to find a new home.

If they just restored the planet and returned there, then there would be a higher chance of them being found by undesirables like Freeza's organization again.

[Gaffer Tape]

I also remember they said the humans Nappa killed on Earth were floating in limbo for eternity and didn't go into the afterlife.

That never happened. The souls of those killed by Piccolo and his offspring did not pass on to the afterlife but instead wandered the earth, but that's specifically because they're demon clansmen. Nappa is not a demon clansman.

Also, no one ends up in limbo. As God tells Goku, all dead go to Enma to be judged. Whether or not they have a body is a different story altogether. So chances are Kuririn's soul was waiting in line to be judged. Perhaps Vegeta's too. But we don't really know enough about that to say anything conclusive. If memory is affected that way. If dead people with bodies have more sentience and awareness than just a soul. You'd certainly think if they did remember, because it's such an odd thing, that it would be the first thing on Vegeta's mind when he came back to life.

[90sDBZ]

Goku and Piccolo (along with Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chiaotzu) all got special permission to keep their bodies in the afterlife during their training with Kaio.

Kuririn did not. His was a "normal" death in that his body was destroyed and that was that. There's your key difference.

But Chiaotzu also got his body destroyed, yet got to keep it in the afterlife. Why wouldn't Krillin be given that same privilege?

I remember it being said that the victims of King Piccolo and his spawn were stuck in limbo due to being killed by a demon. And I'm not sure if there's any truth to this, but I remember reading awhile back that the same rule applied to Frieza's victims.

[VegettoEX]

But Chiaotzu also got his body destroyed, yet got to keep it in the afterlife. Why wouldn't Krillin be given that same privilege?

I'm assuming it's because there were plenty of days in between the Saiyan fight on Earth and then the events in the Freeza arc where Kaio's actually involved in a more direct level (and with two sets of planetary gods, as well). For Kuririn, he's dead and that exact same day... well, the fight's over and universal conflict is resolved. I guess they just didn't bother to give him his body in the afterlife when the plan was just to bring him back to life, anyway (and they knew at that point that they COULD since they had all the necessary sets of Dragon Balls... as opposed to Chiaotzu earlier, when they didn't think they'd actually be able to bring him back).

[Gaffer Tape]

I remember it being said that the victims of King Piccolo and his spawn were stuck in limbo due to being killed by a demon. And I'm not sure if there's any truth to this, but I remember reading awhile back that the same rule applied to Freeza's victims.

There's not any truth to that. Freeza is a not a demon clansman. I'm curious where you heard that, though. That's the first I've heard of it.

[Kamiccolo9]

But Chiaotzu also got his body destroyed, yet got to keep it in the afterlife. Why wouldn't Krillin be given that same privilege?

I'm assuming it's because there were plenty of days in between the Saiyan fight on Earth and then the events in the Freeza arc where Kaio's actually involved in a more direct level (and with two sets of planetary gods, as well). For Kuririn, he's dead and that exact same day... well, the fight's over and universal conflict is resolved. I guess they just didn't bother to give him his body in the afterlife when the plan was just to bring him back to life, anyway (and they knew at that point that they COULD since they had all the necessary sets of Dragon Balls... as opposed to Chiaotzu earlier, when they didn't think they'd actually be able to bring him back).

What's more, Chiaotzu died on Earth, where he was under the jurisdiction of both Earth's God and North Kaio. Krillin died on Namek, where neither could exert any pull on him.