Gohan vs Goten (DBGT)

kingsupermanx · Post by **kingsupermanx** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:41 pm

I'm completely lost as to how Gohan couldnt totally beat Goten in GT. in the episode where they fight, Gohan only goes super saiyan. I know that for some reason in GT Gohan never goes mystic, but still he could have gone Super saiyan 2 or somethin. Goten is very weak compared to Gohan, so I'm just at a loss of why this happened like it did

Post by **VegettoEX** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:44 pm

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Never seen the episode in question, but I can sum it up with one statement: It's DragonBall GT. Logic rarely came into play in DB/DBZ, so I wouldn't expect it to get any better in DBGT ^^.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:03 pm

kingsupermanx wrote:I'm completely lost as to how Gohan couldnt totally beat Goten in GT. in the episode where they fight, Gohan only goes super saiyan. I know that for some reason in GT Gohan never goes mystic, but still he could have gone Super saiyan 2 or somethin. Goten is very weak compared to Gohan, so I'm just at a loss of why this happened like it did

Well, he probably figured he didn't need to go stronger than Super Saiyan. He'd know his brother's fighting and, especially considering Goten was possessed, would've gone SSJ2 if necessary.

And it's interesting that someone else referred to Mystic as just another stage of power.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:48 pm

I think Budokai 2 has something to do with that now. That and the fact the Elder Kai told Gohan to 'Do that thing when you go Super Saiya-jin' so most take that as meaning it's a transformation and not an unlocking of power like the Guru power-up was.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:51 pm

From what I remember of that episode, Baby (in Goten's body) wanted Gohan to turn SSJ so that he could possess him. Somehow.

I also remember Gohan holding his own pretty well. He knew something was up with Goten, but he wasn't just going to go all out and destroy him, because he was his brother.

And when he did turn SSJ, I think Baby immedietly lept to take him over, with a cry of "what power", indicating that, yes, Gohan was stronger than Goten. Otherwise changing bodies would have been pointless.

Of course, he then goes looking for Vegeta, immedietly shoving Gohan back into the "person who doesn't train and is overtaken by everyone" catagory. Which shouldn't be true, since all his potential power was released. Possibly.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:56 pm

Yeah. The only thing that should be able to touch Gohan, training or not, is maybe Goku or Vegeta as an SSJ4. I'm not even sure if that would be enough really.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:59 pm

Xyex wrote:Yeah. The only thing that should be able to touch Gohan, training or not, is maybe Goku or Vegeta as an SSJ4. I'm not even sure if that would be enough really.

Well, when you haven't trained for nearly 15 years, your strength does go down quite a bit. His Saiyan genes may slow it down, but still.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:03 pm

Do they ever say that Gohan stopped training between the end of the Buu saga and the start of GT? I thought that he'd have learnt his lesson after his non-training between fighting Cell and the Buu saga.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:06 pm

PsyLiam wrote:Do they ever say that Gohan stopped training between the end of the Buu saga and the start of GT? I thought that he'd have learnt his lesson after his non-training between fighting Cell and the Buu saga.

Well, he's never really shown training ever and it's pretty obvious that he's submerged in his studies. He's reading books while his brother and dad are training for fun.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:11 pm

Is there time to show him training, though? We see him for, what, 8 episodies at the end of Z, and then he vanishes two episodes into GT. Not much time to establish whether he's been training or not. (But then, I've only seen the "10 years later" stuff once, and I can't remember most of it.)

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:15 pm

PsyLiam wrote:Is there time to show him training, though? We see him for, what, 8 episodies at the end of Z, and then he vanishes two episodes into GT. Not much time to establish whether he's been training or not. (But then, I've only seen the "10 years later" stuff once, and I can't remember most of it.)

He's only shown a couple times at the end of Z. Trunks goes by his and Videl's house looking for Goten and they tell him that he's training with Goku, and he's at the Tenkaichi Budokai, only shown waching.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:57 am

Is it ever mentioned who trained Pan? I assume Goku may have played a part in it but for a good part of her life he was training Uubu. Is it safe to say that Gohan may have been busy training Pan those 10 years before the Tournament? Of course he couldnt go SSJ2, he'd end up killing his own daughter in training. If he did end up training Pan, he was probably used to fighting at a much lower level. Now if Goten and Trunks trained Pan, wich is a safer bet, then Gohan was probably busy with College, wich probably took away any time for training.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:11 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Is it ever mentioned who trained Pan? I assume Goku may have played a part in it but for a good part of her life he was training Uubu. Is it safe to say that Gohan may have been busy training Pan those 10 years before the Tournament? Of course he couldnt go SSJ2, he'd end up killing his own daughter in training. If he did end up training Pan, he was probably used to fighting at a much lower level. Now if Goten and Trunks trained Pan, wich is a safer bet, then Gohan was probably busy with College, wich probably took away any time for training.

Yeah, my best bet is Trunks and/or Goten. Videl might've trained her at the beginning, but someone else must've taken over a bit later. Hell, since she's 1/4th a Saiyan, she might've even picked things up from watching.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:37 am

Goku trained Pan up to some point in her first four years. It's not officially said, but she's wearing Goku's style of gi (hell maybe the EXACT one he wore at that age knowing him) instead of a Piccolo-esque type thing that Gohan was used to for training, and she was all excited to tell Goku she had completed her task of flying around the world. It seems her training is complete and she just has to keep advancing on her skills by herself. I say this since seeing the world is what Kame-sennin said to Goku in order to accumulate experience.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:16 pm

Dayspring wrote:Goku trained Pan up to some point in her first four years. It's not officially said, but she's wearing Goku's style of gi (hell maybe the EXACT one he wore at that age knowing him) instead of a Piccolo-esque type thing that Gohan was used to for training, and she was all excited to tell Goku she had completed her task of flying around the world. It seems her training is complete and she just has to keep advancing on her skills by herself. I say this since seeing the world is what Kame-sennin said to Goku in order to accumulate experience.

Oh yeah, and Pan also mentioned that Goku had given her the orange gi when she competed in the Tenkaichi Budoukai, when he was a Golden Oozaru. I just remembered that.

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