The utter failure that is Revival of F.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Right sure Vegeta interrupted the fight but then Goku and Freeza told him to piss off and Vegeta listened. Cell arc Vegeta wouldn't have done that he would have carried in insisting to fight. Then after Freeza went Golden, Goku offered Vegeta the fight which he then declined, Cell arc Vegeta wouldn't have done that. Goku was left for dead and Vegeta spared him and made some BS about needing him alive, Cell arc Vegeta wouldn't have done that.

[Zephyr]

Why bother producing a movie of this sort, at this point in the brand's lifespan, only to go through the motions and reiterate what's already been iterated?

Why shouldn't they? What's wrong with simply having a fun romp every once in a while? Dragon Ball is not, nor has it ever been, the absolute pinnacle of storytelling that some people seem to want to believe that it is/was.

[Cetra]

You don't need anything to tell you he's arrogant, it's seeing it play out that's the value. Freeza didn't lose the first time because of his arrogance, he lost simply because he fought someone better.

He lost because of his arrogance nonetheless. He could have killed Goku as long he had the upper hand (probably) but his grudge against him made him so arrogant and he dragged out the battle longer than necessary. Typical anime villain weakness of arrogance. If speeding up the battle would not have helped, okay but he did have the upper hand. I don't say he would have 100% won but basically, just like their first battle in which he just could have destroyed Goku with a finger, he did not (in F the gap obviously is not as big).

[LuckyCat]

To answer the critique that "Freeza never learned a lesson": At the very least you have to give Freeza credit for having a Plan B. Equipping one of his elite mooks with a sufficiently advanced laser was a good plan. Unfortunately, Freeza still incredibly (and perhaps understandably) underestimated Vegeta.

[successoroffate]

It depends how you define Failure, since the Local and international box offices (excluding US) says otherwise. Since you're talking about your dislike for Funimation's Freeza as a whole, I don't think it's fair to call the movie a failure just because the "Dub" wasn't good. You can call the movie a failure, that's your opinion but reality does not support your opinion.

One last thing, Toriyama stepping out of the series would not do anyone a favor as his current involvement with the franchise is going smoothly. The man is having fun, and if he's having fun then so are we..well, some of us at least.

[Mewzard]

It depends how you define Failure, since the Local and international box offices (excluding US) says otherwise. Since you're talking about your dislike for Funimation's Freeza as a whole, I don't think it's fair to call the movie a failure just because the "Dub" wasn't good. You can call the movie a failure, that's your opinion but reality does not support your opinion.

One last thing, Toriyama stepping out of the series would not do anyone a favor as his current involvement with the franchise is going smoothly. The man is having fun, and if he's having fun then so are we..well, some of us at least.

Both Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' did amazingly well in the US. Not compared to main Hollywood films, but given it was limited runs of anime movies in the US, they did amazing (especially Resurrection 'F', which cracked into the top ten anime theatrical runs of all time for the US).

I'm just glad Toriyama cares again and is having fun. We got the best of Dragon Ball when he was enjoying himself and wanting to do more.

[successoroffate]

It depends how you define Failure, since the Local and international box offices (excluding US) says otherwise. Since you're talking about your dislike for Funimation's Freeza as a whole, I don't think it's fair to call the movie a failure just because the "Dub" wasn't good. You can call the movie a failure, that's your opinion but reality does not support your opinion.

One last thing, Toriyama stepping out of the series would not do anyone a favor as his current involvement with the franchise is going smoothly. The man is having fun, and if he's having fun then so are we..well, some of us at least.

Both Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' did amazingly well in the US. Not compared to main Hollywood films, but given it was limited runs of anime movies in the US, they did amazing (especially Resurrection 'F', which cracked into the top ten anime theatrical runs of all time for the US).

I'm just glad Toriyama cares again and is having fun. We got the best of Dragon Ball when he was enjoying himself and wanting to do more.

I excluded the US just because I didn't know the Box office numbers, not because it didn't do well.

[Bullza]

In US BoG made $2.8 million and RoF made $8.4 million.

[Kid Buu]

Another thing is, I thought the choice of Z-Fighters used was rather random. It would have been nice to see Mr. Buu and 18 fight alongside everyone, especially since they are stronger than the likes of Tenshinhan and Master Roshi.

I guess they choose not to use everyone so they wouldn't have to divide so much screentime between people.

[Lord Exor]

Why bother producing a movie of this sort, at this point in the brand's lifespan, only to go through the motions and reiterate what's already been iterated?

Why shouldn't they? What's wrong with simply having a fun romp every once in a while? Dragon Ball is not, nor has it ever been, the absolute pinnacle of storytelling that some people seem to want to believe that it is/was.

And I never proclaimed that it was, but that doesn't mean it should depreciate in quality rather than attempt to better itself.

[SaiyanZ]

I think the movie's story is utter garbage as well, but not because of what you presented. It just conflicts with pre-established Dragon Ball lore too much and without explanation; Jaco and Freeza were alright but that's the only saving grace, imo.

[Lord Beerus]

I think the movie's story is utter garbage as well, but not because of what you presented. It just conflicts with pre-established Dragon Ball lore too much and without explanation; Jaco and Freeza were alright but that's the only saving grace, imo.

I don't recall Resurrection F creating any kind of conflictions with Dragon Ball lore. The only major confliction in Resurrection F that I recall is Shisami's strength.

[HybridSaiyan]

I want to know why Gohan couldn't turn SSJ2 in this movie but then again, all the power levels are messed up. Probably wouldn't have made a difference either way.
Don't give me the excuse that he hasn't been training because that's nonsense. After 7 years of none training he managed to transform into a SSJ2 against Kabito.
Surely a SSJ2 Gohan could hold his own against a first form frieza in this movie.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I want to know why Gohan couldn't turn SSJ2 in this movie but then again, all the power levels are messed up. Probably wouldn't have made a difference either way.
Don't give me the excuse that he hasn't been training because that's nonsense. After 7 years of none training he managed to transform into a SSJ2 against Kabito.
Surely a SSJ2 Gohan could hold his own against a first form Freeza in this movie.

Gohan shouldn't have to go SSJ at all. Not for soldier grunts, or for the fact that his Unlocked Kai Boost should have made it impossible for him to lose. Especially not to a first form Freeza at 1.2 mllion.

[Mewzard]

We never got confirmation that Freeza arrived at 1.3 million in his base and stayed there (it was only idle speculation by Freeza). Clearly he vastly overshot that number, or Piccolo'd one shot him effortless at this point.

[ABED]

We never got confirmation that Freeza arrived at 1.3 million in his base and stayed there (it was only idle speculation by Freeza). Clearly he vastly overshot that number, or Piccolo'd one shot him effortless at this point.

Piccolo should've been able to one shot Freeza's underling.

[dae428]

We never got confirmation that Freeza arrived at 1.3 million in his base and stayed there (it was only idle speculation by Freeza). Clearly he vastly overshot that number, or Piccolo'd one shot him effortless at this point.

Piccolo should've been able to one shot Freeza's underling.

Well we can't say that for sure. While we know he was of the same ranking as Zarbon and Dodoria, we never learned how strong he actually was, which I can't deny was rather stupid of Toei.

[ABED]

We never got confirmation that Freeza arrived at 1.3 million in his base and stayed there (it was only idle speculation by Freeza). Clearly he vastly overshot that number, or Piccolo'd one shot him effortless at this point.

<br abp="692">Piccolo should've been able to one shot Freeza's underling.

<br abp="693"><br abp="694">Well we can't say that for sure. While we know he was of the same ranking as Zarbon and Dodoria, we never learned how strong he actually was, which I can't deny was rather stupid of Toei.

Yes, Zarbon and Dodoria, but Piccolo had long surpassed that. He could've one shot them right after fusing with Nail.

[dae428]

Rank doesn't equal strength. Plus that was before Freeza actually trained too. I'm not saying that Piccolo struggling against that mook wasn't stupid, I'm just saying that you can't really say that they 'nerfed' Piccolo given there's not necessarily anything concrete that explicitly states that Shisame was as strong as Zarbon or Dodoria.

[Hero]

Why bother producing a movie of this sort, at this point in the brand's lifespan, only to go through the motions and reiterate what's already been iterated?

Why shouldn't they? What's wrong with simply having a fun romp every once in a while? Dragon Ball is not, nor has it ever been, the absolute pinnacle of storytelling that some people seem to want to believe that it is/was.

These are my thoughts on the movie too. Yeah, I liked BoG more 'cuz of how it actually expanded the universe (multiverse?) and set up so many potential sequels and futures for the franchise. RF on the other hand was made from Toriyama liking a concert and wanting to bring Frieza back for the fun of it... and it was definitely a bunch of fun!

And it also had plenty of things that furthered the story. Goku and Vegeta are now training under Whis, they've now learned how to tap into god power on their own, Jaco is added to the cast which is a plus for future stories and Goku and Vegeta have learned about their weaknesses.

Also, it was cool seeing what Frieza's empire was up to after he died.