Most memorable BS dub lines / names

[ABED]

Freeza is evil, and I see no fault in making him sound that way.

Because other wise people wouldn't know Evil McEvilperson is evil unless they talk like they are evil. In all seriousness, it's not the so called evil dialog that Young is made to speak, it's the cheese factor along with her awful delivery that makes for bad TV.

King Cold "What's a Goku?"

[fadeddreams5]

Me and my sister laughed when King Cold said that. I like the line. Lol

[ABED]

Me and my sister laughed when King Cold said that. I like the line. Lol

I like a great deal of dumb lines and horrible deliveries, such as when Vegeta yells, "Curse you, boy!"

[Lord Exor]

Freeza is evil, and I see no fault in making him sound that way.

Because other wise people wouldn't know Evil McEvilperson is evil unless they talk like they are evil. In all seriousness, it's not the so called evil dialog that Young is made to speak, it's the cheese factor along with her awful delivery that makes for bad TV.

King Cold "What's a Goku?"

I think your appraisal of what constitutes awful delivery is bordering on extremely subjective, particularly if you believe Ayres' delivery is perfectly acceptable in all instances. And I agree that Young's delivery wasn't the best at times, but it's a result of dubbing over Japanese animation; this afflicts all dub actors, even actors who are otherwise fantastic (David Kaye comes to mind for the Unicron Trilogy).

[ABED]

In this case, it's absolutely obvious who the better actor is. Every single actor in season 3 was green and new to voice acting. Even the worst Ayres delivery is infinitely better than Young. It's the combination of bad dialog, a voice that doesn't fit the character, and a green actor that made for a horrible presentation. Other than nostalgia, I don't know how anyone honestly can say that just on acting alone, Ayres isn't superior. Even if I agreed with your assessment about the quality of Freeza's writing in the dub, the performance doesn't help the effect you wrote about. She's not believable. She sounds like an actor trying to sound evil.

it's a result of dubbing over Japanese animation

It isn't. It's a result of her being a green actor. She is much better as Genkai, not great, but serviceable. Even the Ocean dub actors were leagues better than the season 3 cast, and both had horrible scripts they were working from.

[Lord Exor]

She sounds plenty believable most of the time, and she also has the benefit of dialogue that sounds natural emanating from an English-speaker.

And I already stated that none of my opinions are forged from nostalgic bias.

[precita]

Linda Young's Freeza voice never really changed over the years, so I wouldn't say her Season 3 performance was any worse than now. For example they redubbed Season 2 back in 2004-2005 or whatever it was, and that was 5 years after the original Season 3 dub in 1999. She sounded pretty much the same.

The biggest improvements were of course Chris Sabat, whose Vegeta and Piccolo sound completely different now from when he first started. Its actually shocking how Chris Sabat went from being so mediocre to actually having a good performance. I really like his Vegeta and Piccolo now, but going back to the original performances is hard.

[ABED]

She sounds plenty believable most of the time, and she also has the benefit of dialogue that sounds natural emanating from an English-speaker. And I already stated that none of my opinions are forged from nostalgic bias.

None of that dialog sounds natural, it sounds like someone's idea of what an evil cartoon character should say and sound like. I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. And Freeza isn't a normal every day person, it's perfectly fine if his dialog isn't natural. There are plenty of great performances where people don't talk like normal every day people. For instance, no one in the real world talks with the speed and the cleverness of Gilmore Girls characters, but that doesn't stop the performances from being excellent.

No one can make "You cut off my tail, you imbecile! And now I'm going to eat you!" or "I may not win any beauty contests, but I'll beat your tail" or "you dirty crook, you stole your mother's pocket book" sound remotely good.

You really prefer childish lines to Kai's dialog simply because it's less verbose?

[Ree]

about the only Frieza line i like that is changed from the original is this one:
Frieza: There are three things I refuse to tolerate. Cowardice. Bad haircuts, and military insurrection. And it is unfortunate that our friend Vegeta possesses all three of these.

there are a few more but thats the main one.

[Lord Exor]

She sounds plenty believable most of the time, and she also has the benefit of dialogue that sounds natural emanating from an English-speaker. And I already stated that none of my opinions are forged from nostalgic bias.

None of that dialog sounds natural, it sounds like someone's idea of what an evil cartoon character should say and sound like. I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. And Freeza isn't a normal every day person, it's perfectly fine if his dialog isn't natural. There are plenty of great performances where people don't talk like normal every day people. For instance, no one in the real world talks with the speed and the cleverness of Gilmore Girls characters, but that doesn't stop the performances from being excellent.

No one can make "You cut off my tail, you imbecile! And now I'm going to eat you!" or "I may not win any beauty contests, but I'll beat your tail" or "you dirty crook, you stole your mother's pocket book" sound remotely good.

You really prefer childish lines to Kai's dialog simply because it's less verbose?

Read my posts; does it appear to you that I am one to shy away from verbosity? No, I prefer Linda's Frieza because it's a unique voice that suits the character model and presents an air of menace that Ayres does not.

Frieza is supposed to be infuriated here, but instead, he chooses to be a sarcastic jerk in the FUNimation version. I appreciate that gesture far more, and never mind the fact that he's mysteriously cognizant of the attack's name. It's nuances like these that endear me to this Frieza.

[ABED]

Read my posts; does it appear to you that I am one to shy away from verbosity? No, I prefer Linda's Freeza because it's a unique voice that suits the character model and presents an air of menace that Ayres does not.

There's no menace, it sounds like an older lady trying to sound Saturday morning cartoon menacing. She sounds Muahahahah evil. Just listen to that clip and how she's TRYING to sound evil. She's like Rita Repulsa. You like unique voice that suits the model - that's Ayres.

And you tell me, because apparently you don't shy away from verbosity, but his take on Freeza isn't as good because he's overly verbose that is isn't natural. Young isn't natural either, that's not nuance. Nuance means subtle, and that delivery is about as subtle as a brick through a window. It screams "Listen to how evil I am!" In that moment, Freeza shouldn't be sounding evil, he should be sounding pissed off. I think this moment qualifies as a memorable BS dub line.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well I prefer Chris Ayres' take on the character, I do actually like Linda Young's version, to an extent.

[Lord Exor]

Read my posts; does it appear to you that I am one to shy away from verbosity? No, I prefer Linda's Freeza because it's a unique voice that suits the character model and presents an air of menace that Ayres does not.

There's no menace, it sounds like an older lady trying to sound Saturday morning cartoon menacing. She sounds Muahahahah evil. Just listen to that clip and how she's TRYING to sound evil. She's like Rita Repulsa. You like unique voice that suits the model - that's Ayres.

And you tell me, because apparently you don't shy away from verbosity, but his take on Freeza isn't as good because he's overly verbose that is isn't natural. Young isn't natural either, that's not nuance. Nuance means subtle, and that delivery is about as subtle as a brick through a window. It screams "Listen to how evil I am!" In that moment, Freeza shouldn't be sounding evil, he should be sounding pissed off. I think this moment qualifies as a memorable BS dub line.

Yes, she sounds evil; Frieza is an evil character. You persist in claiming the voice evinces the meretricious performances of classic Saturday-morning cartoon villains, and yet as someone intimately familiar with those roles (G1 Megatron, Skeletor, Cobra Commander), I fail to see how they're commensurate. Their claim to fame is in projecting their own ineptitude onto their minions, usually with colorful (yet family friendly) invectives--and whining after they're beaten.

I don't like Chris Ayres not because of his florid dialogue, but because he's so subdued to the point of not sounding malicious at all 99% of the time (and I'm well aware that's the intent of the source material, but I prefer FUNimation's revision). I detest the grandiloquent speeches because it breaks the suspension of disbelief and makes it limpidly clear that I'm watching a dub of a Japanese cartoon; he's trying so hard to match his words to the mouth flapping, but the end result isn't that of a coherent, flowing English sentence. If these lines were written for a Western production, I could see it working far better.

And no, Linda isn't perfect in this regard either (she has her fair share of run-on sentences too) but she does a better job of it in no small part due to dialogue that's better suited to matching the mouth flaps and flowing better in English. And honestly, that's characteristic of the Z dub in general. Kai attempts to translate the Japanese scripts too literally.

Frieza sounds almost bored here. Meanwhile, he sounds commanding and sinister (as usual) here.

[ABED]

You persist in claiming the voice evinces the meretricious performances

Side question, are you using a thesaurus to find the most "sophisticated" word you can? I also fail to see your point about the cartoon villains.

Freeza is an evil character.

But does the voice have to shout, "Yes, I'm evil!"? Clarke's Cell doesn't play up the evil, in his final form, he plays up the arrogance.

he's so subdued to the point of not sounding malicious at all 99% of the time

Freeza's actions are, the voice doesn't have to play up the malice. One of the things that works about Freeza is that his calmness belies his vicious nature.

I detest the grandiloquent speeches because it breaks the suspension of disbelief... he's trying so hard to match his words to the mouth flapping
And I detest the horrid cheesy dialog that Young is made to speak. That takes me completely out of the moment. Ayres doesn't try hard, that's what makes it so good, and with Young, it's clear I'm listening to someone without a lot of experience and I'm watching a show with an "EVIL" character because how would I otherwise know Freeza is... evil, unless she has an evil sounding delivery? Cue Dr. Evil pinky to the lip.

the end result isn't that of a coherent, flowing English sentence. If these lines were written for a Western production, I could see it working far better

Wordy? Sure. Incoherent? Nope, never once did I have issue understanding what he was saying.

but she does a better job of it in no small part due to dialogue that's better suited to matching the mouth flaps

But the dialog isn't better suited to the character.

Kai attempts to translate the Japanese scripts too literally.

Whereas the Z dub liked to be FAR too liberal and hammy. Kai's scripts aren't too literally translated.

How does Ayres sound bored? Because he's not trying so hard to come off as There's a difference between sounding sinister and trying to sound sinister, Young is the latter. There isn't anything remotely commanding about that performance. I don't think we're getting anywhere. You don't like Ayres and for some odd reason think Young is a good actress and Freeza's dialog isn't god awful. I'm the opposite, I don't believe there are any redeeming qualities about that performance or the dialog in Z, whereas I love Ayres' performance and the overly flowery language works in showing character.

You could fill this entire thread with Freeza's dialog alone, such as this gem, "Here's your arm, you can use it as a back scratcher! Where do I come up with this stuff?" Where indeed.

[MajinMan]

All I'm going to add to the conversation above is that Young is not a bad actress, but a bad Freeza. She's a bad Freeza not only because of her voice, but because of the script she was given. It just doesn't work and never will because it's not the way Toriyama wrote the character.

[ABED]

All I'm going to add to the conversation above is that Young is not a bad actress. She's a bad Freeza not only because of her voice, but because of the script she was given. It just doesn't work and never will. It's not the way Toriyama wrote the character to be.

I do think she's a bad actress. She's okay as Genkai, but not great or even good. In that role, she tries to hard to come off as badass, doesn't pull off young Genkai, and her death scene falls flat to me because of her performance.

[MajinMan]

All I'm going to add to the conversation above is that Young is not a bad actress. She's a bad Freeza not only because of her voice, but because of the script she was given. It just doesn't work and never will. It's not the way Toriyama wrote the character to be.

I do think she's a bad actress. She's okay as Genkai, but not great or even good. In that role, she tries to hard to come off as badass, doesn't pull off young Genkai, and her death scene falls flat to me because of her performance.

I haven't seen Yu Yu Hakusho in a while so I guess I'll take your word for it. I've also never seen it in Japanese so I can't compare her to the original.

[precita]

Linda young's Baba is pretty good. Fits her old lady voice.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Don't know if this was mentioned but FUNi referring to the rice cooker used to seal away Piccolo Daimao as an "electronic jar".

[Lord Exor]

You persist in claiming the voice evinces the meretricious performances

Side question, are you using a thesaurus to find the most "sophisticated" word you can? I also fail to see your point about the cartoon villains.

Freeza is an evil character.

But does the voice have to shout, "Yes, I'm evil!"? Clarke's Cell doesn't play up the evil, in his final form, he plays up the arrogance.
Why not? It works for Palpatine as Darth Sidious.

he's so subdued to the point of not sounding malicious at all 99% of the time

Freeza's actions are, the voice doesn't have to play up the malice. One of the things that works about Freeza is that his calmness belies his vicious nature.

I detest the grandiloquent speeches because it breaks the suspension of disbelief... he's trying so hard to match his words to the mouth flapping
And I detest the horrid cheesy dialog that Young is made to speak. That takes me completely out of the moment. Ayres doesn't try hard, that's what makes it so good, and with Young, it's clear I'm listening to someone without a lot of experience and I'm watching a show with an "EVIL" character because how would I otherwise know Freeza is... evil, unless she has an evil sounding delivery? Cue Dr. Evil pinky to the lip.

the end result isn't that of a coherent, flowing English sentence. If these lines were written for a Western production, I could see it working far better

Wordy? Sure. Incoherent? Nope, never once did I have issue understanding what he was saying.

but she does a better job of it in no small part due to dialogue that's better suited to matching the mouth flaps

But the dialog isn't better suited to the character.

Kai attempts to translate the Japanese scripts too literally.

Whereas the Z dub liked to be FAR too liberal and hammy. Kai's scripts aren't too literally translated.

How does Ayres sound bored? Because he's not trying so hard to come off as There's a difference between sounding sinister and trying to sound sinister, Young is the latter. There isn't anything remotely commanding about that performance. I don't think we're getting anywhere. You don't like Ayres and for some odd reason think Young is a good actress and Freeza's dialog isn't god awful. I'm the opposite, I don't believe there are any redeeming qualities about that performance or the dialog in Z, whereas I love Ayres' performance and the overly flowery language works in showing character.

You could fill this entire thread with Freeza's dialog alone, such as this gem, "Here's your arm, you can use it as a back scratcher! Where do I come up with this stuff?" Where indeed.

Am I experiencing déjà vu here? Where were you back in 2013 when we controverted my word choice previously? I believe I was also accused of being a troll for liking the FUNi dub.

Why not? It works for Palpatine as Darth Sidious.

"Coherence"--insofar as the word is being applied in this context--doesn't refer to your own comprehension of what is being spoken, rather it highlights logical and harmonious flow. Ayres speaks at such an accelerated and contrived pace that it doesn't come across as coherent spoken English; it sounds like someone trying to read a glaringly pre-prepared script as fast as possible while also matching his words to mouth flaps.

And that backscratcher line is genius.