Dragon Ball Super: TV Ratings Discussion Thread

[Sodhi]

I honestly think beating Yokai Watch and Case Files is the best we can hope for. It's near impossible to crack the top six no matter who you are. Those six are institutions.

And Dragon Ball, a franchise alive for +30 years, is what?!

Lets break it down
Beating sazae san = impossible and no other anime can
then detective conan, shinchan and doraemoan are very popular with youngsters today in japan and are evening shows.
One piece is the new dragonball in the 90's.Plus our timing does not help us at all.
So yea we fall below these anime's. However we can beat Kindaichi Case Files R.

[Araki]

It will be interesting to evaluate the ratings once we get completely new material. Not starting with new material, must have let those with less patience disconnect. I think when we get into the Universe 6 Arc we might get a chance to catch up to, at least One Piece. Are they still in Dressrosa? I assume they'll have a filler arc soon, so ... you never know.

I think beating One Piece will be harder than beating Kindaichi. Just like Kindaichi doing well is catapulting Conan to the top, since it is the intro show to the other one, Super doing well is also likely to boost One Piece ratings. Since the live ratings of Super and One Piece are linked in this way, by being in sequential time slots on the same channel, I think it will be very difficult to ever overtake.

Yeah, DB is OP's lead-in. It's not even supposed to beat it, i'm sure no one involved is expecting that.

I honestly think beating Yokai Watch and Case Files is the best we can hope for. It's near impossible to crack the top six no matter who you are. Those six are institutions.

And Dragon Ball, a franchise alive for +30 years, is what?!

It's not only that all the shows above it have been running non stop for years and years (except Kindaichi); like Chuquita said, there's also the fact DB has a morning timeslot. DB, OP and Precure are the only top 10 animes not airing on primetime, unlike the other 7. It will never reach a 10.0 in this day and age, but some people had very unrealistic expectations from day one.

The 5.5-6.5 figures are amazing for what it is. You don't see Naruto, Pokemon or Fairy Tail ranking, and those are huge brands too.

[DragonHermit]

I think the time slots matter too. We should be comparing to similar time slots.

But I can guarantee if Toei doesn't go for a 3rd movie that would completely kill off the series, any new semi-decent material will get even higher ratings. We can be just as good as One Piece, since almost all OP watchers like DB, plus we have the older generation.

One Punch Man beating us is just lol

[LightBing]

Yeah, didn't remember the time slots. Could they swap us with One Piece, if they decline and we improve?

One Punch Man is a great and fun show, not that surprising it got ahead. I'm expecting a surge once the fighting portion of FnF arc begins.

[Sodhi]

I think the time slots matter too. We should be comparing to similar time slots.

But I can guarantee if Toei doesn't go for a 3rd movie that would completely kill off the series, any new semi-decent material will get even higher ratings. We can be just as good as One Piece, since almost all OP watchers like DB, plus we have the older generation.

One Punch Man beating us is just lol

There is no surprise here, One punch man has great visuals and animations is gorgeous.

[LightBing]

http://www.tvguide.or.jp/ranking/timerr ... index.html

DVR Rating: 26 of October until 1 of November
1st: Lupin III - 100.0
2nd: Yokai Watch - 83.9
3rd: One Piece - 73.4
4th: Doraemon - 73.0
5th: Detective Conan - 59.3
6th: Gintama - 54.5 (Up 1)
7th: One Punch Man - 54.0 (Up 1)
8th: Dragon Ball Super - 51.3 (Episode 17) (Up 1)
9th: Subete ga F ni Naru: The Perfect Insider - 40.9 (Up 1)
10th: Mobile Suit Gundam - 40.1 (Down 5)

Mobile Suit Gundam has a big drop bringing 4 shows up a place, including us. We still lost to One Punch Man but we've recovered 0.1.

[LuckyCat]

That new Lupin III series has been killing it in DVR rankings. I'll have to check it out.

[Lord Beerus]

That new Lupin III series has been killing it in DVR rankings. I'll have to check it out.

Japan loves Lupin. It's been a staple in Japan since the 70s.

[Kuririn Fan]

This is top 10 in all of Japan, right? And Super is there every week just below this big animes that have been going forever, even if its just the retelling of the movies (+ slice of life eps). There is no need to be worried.

[Chuquita]

That new Lupin III series has been killing it in DVR rankings. I'll have to check it out.

Japan loves Lupin. It's been a staple in Japan since the 70s.

I've been following the new series; it's really good. Combo of fun characters and very nice animation.

[LightBing]

This is top 10 in all of Japan, right? And Super is there every week just below this big animes that have been going forever, even if its just the retelling of the movies (+ slice of life eps). There is no need to be worried.

DVR ratings are from the Kanto Region, which holds about a third of Japan's population. It's still a good measurement, since it's the most important region in the country.

[Kuririn Fan]

This is top 10 in all of Japan, right? And Super is there every week just below this big animes that have been going forever, even if its just the retelling of the movies (+ slice of life eps). There is no need to be worried.

DVR ratings are from the Kanto Region, which holds about a third of Japan's population. It's still a good measurement, since it's the most important region in the country.

I mean those other ratings.

[alakazam^]

I think the time slots matter too. We should be comparing to similar time slots.

But I can guarantee if Toei doesn't go for a 3rd movie that would completely kill off the series, any new semi-decent material will get even higher ratings. We can be just as good as One Piece, since almost all OP watchers like DB, plus we have the older generation.

One Punch Man beating us is just lol

Why are people assuming any movies from now on would be retold in Super when it never was the case before?

[GTX]

http://www.tvguide.or.jp/ranking/timerr ... index.html

DVR Rating: 26 of October until 1 of November
1st: Lupin III - 100.0
2nd: Yokai Watch - 83.9
3rd: One Piece - 73.4
4th: Doraemon - 73.0
5th: Detective Conan - 59.3
6th: Gintama - 54.5 (Up 1)
7th: One Punch Man - 54.0 (Up 1)
8th: Dragon Ball Super - 51.3 (Episode 17) (Up 1)
9th: Subete ga F ni Naru: The Perfect Insider - 40.9 (Up 1)
10th: Mobile Suit Gundam - 40.1 (Down 5)

Mobile Suit Gundam has a big drop bringing 4 shows up a place, including us. We still lost to One Punch Man but we've recovered 0.1.

It should be losing 1,9 point instead of recovering 0,1 point.

[irreality]

This is top 10 in all of Japan, right? And Super is there every week just below this big animes that have been going forever, even if its just the retelling of the movies (+ slice of life eps). There is no need to be worried.

DVR ratings are from the Kanto Region, which holds about a third of Japan's population. It's still a good measurement, since it's the most important region in the country.

I mean those other ratings.

The live ratings are also from the Kanto region.

[ChibiGoku]

To kinda chime in to an earlier discussion about Sazae-san. The only other anime that used to be able to revival that show was Detective Conan, where it used to be able to pull in roughly the same numbers, and once in awhile, actually beat it. However, Conan's popularity is no where near where it used to be, but it's still extremely popular, as mentioned, with kids, as well as long term viewers of the series. The only reason Conan was having lower ratings during the earlier ratings report was the show before it (Denpa Kyoushi / Ultimate Otaku Teacher) was doing absolutely terrible and was impacting the ratings to the show in question. With Kindaichi back in that slot, which used to be paired up with Conan years prior (including more recently), before InuYaha came in, it seems to be doing much better.

Sorry for off topic, but I felt a bit more further explanation was warranted there.

[Kakarotto92]

You guys are in denial if you don't think these ratings are worrying. Kai 1.0 had much better ratings at this point and so did the last 5 episodes of Buu Kai. In fact, Toriko which was cancelled due to low ratings averaged 6.2% (more or less the same as Super until now).

I'm not saying they will cancel the show right away, but if it continues this trend, I doubt it will reach the 100 episodes mark (if the Champa/Uni6 arc lasts only around 30 episodes, Super might even have the same lenght as GT).

[Retan]

True Kakarotto92, but to be fair, I don't believe anyone in japan had seen Dragonball Z in a long time in japan, unless they bought the Dragonbox complete sets (Which I believe were pricier for japan then the U.S in a lot of ways, might be wrong though) until kai came out, where as the movies were just released, and then they get saga's covering the exact same story as the movies, I don't think we'll get a fair gage on Super until Universe 6 starts. But yes if the ratings remain the same for that, I'll also start to worry. Though I'm not sure how Toriko's merchandise sold and according to some, that is the most important part of these shows airing in the first place, plus there are many other series with worse ratings then Super that continue to air religiously.

[Araki]

TV Ratings top 10 - November 9th~November 15th (episode 19):

Sazae 12.2
One Piece 9.8
Crayon Shin-chan 9.3
Detective Conan 8.4
Doraemon 8.3
Chibi Maruko-chan 7.3
Dragon Ball Super 6.6
Kindaichi Case Files R 6.2
Yokai Watch 5.1
Folktales from Japan 3.9

You guys are in denial if you don't think these ratings are worrying. Kai 1.0 had much better ratings at this point and so did the last 5 episodes of Buu Kai. In fact, Toriko which was cancelled due to low ratings averaged 6.2% (more or less the same as Super until now).

I'm not saying they will cancel the show right away, but if it continues this trend, I doubt it will reach the 100 episodes mark (if the Champa/Uni6 arc lasts only around 30 episodes, Super might even have the same lenght as GT).

That's not a correct view. You can't claim anyone is in denial when you don't sound very informed.

1) Kai 1.0 had higher ratings because that was years ago, before Japan even had made the jump from analogic to digital. Ratings in general dropped a lot since then - for instance, Sazae used to score 20+ at that point very often.

2) Toriko wasn't cancelled due to low ratings. This is a freaking' top 10 in a scene that has dozens of shows airing, no series that ranks every week among the best 10 would be cancelled due to low ratings, that's completely absurd.

A series of factors ended Toriko, like probably those:

- manga sales didn't get enough of a boost;
- the movie was a HUGE flop;
- merchandise sales weren't impressive.

And it still ran for 150 episodes.

3) DBS' average being similar to Kai 2.0 is expected, due to the morning timeslot. Kids probably can't even tell the difference, as it's all new stuff for them.
When it comes to DVR, Super is being more recorded than Kai, since that's apparently how most of the older fans in Japan are watching.

You're saying DBS' ratings, that are like twice the likes of Naruto and Pokemon, that beats Yokai Watch almost every week, would get the show cancelled. i mean, that's laughable. By your logic, there's like 30 animes that should be worried this week.
And we shouldn't even focus that much on ratings, since if merchandise sales were bad, even an average of 10.0 wouldn't mean much.

[Retan]

a 6.6 is one of the better ratings for the show, so that's good. Thanks Araki. Freeza must be a bigger deal then even I realized.