What was the point of making a new series/title?

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:02 pm

I'm referring to changing the anime title from Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z. I've seen other Japanese series do this (Sailor Moon, Pokemon, Tenchi). From what I understand, Toriyama named it "Z" because he wanted the comic to end soon and the "Z" chapter would be the ending. But that doesn't explain why they wanted to change the name in the first place. So what was the point?

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:06 pm

I don't know why, I think it would be better keeping the series together. I guess it's better organized in parts

But yeah, the same goes for Naruto Z...err...I mean Hurricane Chronicles.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:13 pm

Weell.... it's like... why have "sagas"? just memorize 400+ episodes

It's for keeping it somewhat organized I think.... if not, then it makes it look snazzier

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:57 pm

The manga name didn't change, only the anime.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:59 pm

Bura wrote:The manga name didn't change, only the anime.

I think that's what he means.

(To self: Heh, he, "Naruto Z". That's goin in my sig..)

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:16 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:Weell.... it's like... why have "sagas"? just memorize 400+ episodes

It's for keeping it somewhat organized I think.... if not, then it makes it look snazzier

Look at One Piece, its almost at the 300 mark at the same name.

tainted saiyan · Post by **tainted saiyan** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:54 pm

Well, you must admit that DBZ took a major departure from the traditional DB theme. DBZ was more sci-fi compared to the mythical DB.

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:49 pm

The mood also changed, from a few people dying because of Piccolo Daimao, the whole Earth died to Kid Buu, Cell absorbed many people and Freeza destroyed planets.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:14 am

Toei's a strange company.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:32 pm

But yeah, the same goes for Naruto Z...err...I mean Hurricane Chronicles.

But it's just a name change, right? Not an whole new series..

Toei's a strange company.

...I think I agree with that one.

Payne222 · Post by **Payne222** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:41 pm

tainted saiyan wrote:Well, you must admit that DBZ took a major departure from the traditional DB theme. DBZ was more sci-fi compared to the mythical DB.

Yeah, I think I read in an interview with him that he chose to go the Sci-Fi route, because he saw the first Alien movie. I could be wrong though.
But yes, he has stated he did that to show it was coming to an end.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:46 pm

Eclipse wrote:
But yeah, the same goes for Naruto Z...err...I mean Hurricane Chronicles.
But it's just a name change, right? Not an whole new series..

It's no more or less a "whole new series" than DBZ was compared to DB. It's a very similar situation.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:46 pm

It would have been nice if they had just kept the Viz Manga labeled as "Dragonball" all the way through instead of changing the name of its volumes too. Even with the Anime, the same style is used. Look at the 23rd Budokai episodes compared to the first Raditz Episodes. They look the same. The "Z" series didn't start to change art direction until the Freeza saga. Up until then, the Z stuff still had the more rounded edges of Dragonball.

When I refer to it as Manga or Anime, I typically just call the whole thing "Dragonball" anymore. Although I still use the abbreviation "DBZ" sometimes to refer to the whole thing. They are more or less interchangeable in my mind. I really only draw a real difference between Dragonball/DBZ and Dragonball GT. GT was different enough to be considered a whole new series, even though it continued off of the old one. DB and DBZ are the same thing as far as I am concerned.

Payne222 · Post by **Payne222** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:03 pm

Akira wrote:It would have been nice if they had just kept the Viz Manga labeled as "Dragonball" all the way through instead of changing the name of its volumes too. Even with the Anime, the same style is used. Look at the 23rd Budokai episodes compared to the first Raditz Episodes. They look the same. The "Z" series didn't start to change art direction until the Freeza saga. Up until then, the Z stuff still had the more rounded edges of Dragonball.

When I refer to it as Manga or Anime, I typically just call the whole thing "Dragonball" anymore. Although I still use the abbreviation "DBZ" sometimes to refer to the whole thing. They are more or less interchangeable in my mind. I really only draw a real difference between Dragonball/DBZ and Dragonball GT. GT was different enough to be considered a whole new series, even though it continued off of the old one. DB and DBZ are the same thing as far as I am concerned.

Ahh, well, if they kept it as Dragonball for all 42 volumes, stupid Americans would say they're wrong or something dumb like that.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:06 pm

Payne222 wrote:Ahh, well, if they kept it as Dragonball for all 42 volumes, stupid Americans would say they're wrong or something dumb like that.

Precisely. The ignorant masses would all be like, "hey, wherez dbz?" And we would laugh at them gleefully.

Payne222 · Post by **Payne222** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:11 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Payne222 wrote:Ahh, well, if they kept it as Dragonball for all 42 volumes, stupid Americans would say they're wrong or something dumb like that.
Precisely. The ignorant masses would all be like, "hey, wherez dbz?" And we would laugh at them gleefully.

Ahh, the good times we could have had... (^^)
I'm pretty sure in the German manga translation, it's kept as Dragonball throughout all 42 volumes.

Rioan · Post by **Rioan** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:15 pm

I guess the point of making a new title id to draw in more people.Its propoganda to make you watch or buy a product that you think is new. Dragonball and Dragonball Z where both mainly the same thing, but they was just older. And i think its a good idea to keep the same name unless you change the main characters or basic storyline. Like, in the game DragonQuest, why does the hero turn supersaiyan? Ithink that its not right, because its not part of DBZ besides the same creator.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:16 pm

Rioan wrote:I guess the point of making a new title id to draw in more people.Its propoganda to make you watch or buy a product that you think is new. Dragonball and Dragonball Z where both mainly the same thing, but they was just older. And i think its a good idea to keep the same name unless you change the main characters or basic storyline. Like, in the game DragonQuest, why does the hero turn supersaiyan? Ithink that its not right, because its not part of DBZ besides the same creator.

He does? How do they explain that?

Payne222 · Post by **Payne222** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:18 pm

Rioan wrote:I guess the point of making a new title id to draw in more people.Its propoganda to make you watch or buy a product that you think is new. Dragonball and Dragonball Z where both mainly the same thing, but they was just older. And i think its a good idea to keep the same name unless you change the main characters or basic storyline. Like, in the game DragonQuest, why does the hero turn supersaiyan? Ithink that its not right, because its not part of DBZ besides the same creator.

Well, in the newest one you mean? It's not "Super Saiya-Jin", but a like state. And Troiyama-Sensei did not create Dragon Quest, he did the character designs.

Rioan · Post by **Rioan** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:21 pm

But he created the hero and his Saiya-jin-like state is what i meant.