Most memorable BS dub lines / names

[Fionordequester]

The original dub still counts. The content of the lines may be slightly different for each character, but they all are saddled with terrible dialog such as "This will be easier than coloring inside the lines". And yes, the end result is what matters, but the end result was a hatchet job and a slipshod product.

And why would the original dub still count? To me, the whole "Remastered vs. Ocean" issue essentially boils down to FUNI looking at the first draft of their old dub, and going "holy cow, some of this stuff is dumb. I think this needs another draft". So basically, Ocean is the first draft, and Remastered is the final draft. So how would Remastered not supersede the Ocean version?

[ABED]

But it's not like a first draft, it's more like the original, with the redub or remastered version being a remake. Both still exist and both were produced. Season 3 still exists regardless of them redubbing some of the dialog and older performances. Han shot first regardless of whether Lucas thinks the special editions and subsequent releases supersede the original versions.

I believe they did put that much thought into the line. And of course, there's always the added bonus of it peeving weeaboos. Freeza's so evil he's antagonizing even the viewers--how meta!

Sure, create a terrible line just to make a very small subset of the fandom PO'ed. That makes about as much sense as a screen door on a battleship. I dislike that term "weeaboos" all it serves is to create another negative term for people to throw around often just because someone disagrees with them. Given that the writers were using terms like "mondo" when it was AT LEAST 10 years outdated in order to appeal to kids, there's no doubt in my mind that the writers weren't that clever and were completely out of touch. And that antagonism isn't the right kind of heat, it's the kind that makes people change their channels.

[Fionordequester]

But it's not like a first draft, it's more like the original, with the redub or remastered version being a remake. Both still exist and both were produced. Season 3 still exists regardless of them redubbing some of the dialog and older performances. Han shot first regardless of whether Lucas thinks the special editions and subsequent releases supersede the original versions.

I actually do understand where you're coming from. Frankly, I do the exact same thing with the Star Wars Original Trilogy, ignoring all the changes Lucas made later. And yet, even though I do that, the reality is that the revised editions ARE technically the "canon" versions. Canonically, Vader does shout "no....NOOOOOO!!!" as he throws Darth Sidious to his demise...

I mean, again, I basically pretend that the special editions never happened...but at the same time, I also know that they did, regardless of whether or not I wished they had. The "best" version of the Original Trilogy is no longer the "canon" version of the original trilogy. Sad but true...

Anyways though, the point is, I don't think you can discount the Remastered version in terms of the old dub.

[precita]

The old Season 3 isn't on the DVDs anymore or online, you would literally have to track down the old DVD releases from 1999-2000 to see it again, so I don't see why it matters anymore.

[Fionordequester]

The old Season 3 isn't on the DVDs anymore or online, you would literally have to track down the old DVD releases from 1999-2000 to see it again, so I don't see why it matters anymore.

Well...technically it is still online...just not legally. Just wanted to clarify that.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, I have a question for you ABED. Since the Star Wars Christmas Special was technically an official product that was produced and everything...does at mean we need to count that into the canon of Star Wars? Even if George Lucas was personally ashamed of it, and did his best to make sure it never aired again?

I'm guessing you'd say no, I'm just curious about how you would apply your reasoning to that .

[ABED]

The old Season 3 isn't on the DVDs anymore or online, you would literally have to track down the old DVD releases from 1999-2000 to see it again, so I don't see why it matters anymore.

Well...technically it is still online...just not legally. Just wanted to clarify that.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, I have a question for you ABED. Since the Star Wars Christmas Special was technically an official product that was produced and everything...does at mean we need to count that into the canon of Star Wars? Even if George Lucas was personally ashamed of it, and did his best to make sure it never aired again?

I'm guessing you'd say no, I'm just curious about how you would apply your reasoning to that.

This isn't a question of canon.

And whether the old version is around anymore is irrelevant. For millions of people, THAT was the version they saw. Regardless of even that, none of that matters, these lines still fall under the category of memorable BS dub lines.

[Fionordequester]

And whether the old version is around anymore is irrelevant. For millions of people, THAT was the version they saw. Regardless of even that, none of that matters, these lines still fall under the category of memorable BS dub lines.

So that means the Star Wars Christmas Special DID happen, and is a part of the Star Wars story, right?

[ABED]

And whether the old version is around anymore is irrelevant. For millions of people, THAT was the version they saw. Regardless of even that, none of that matters, these lines still fall under the category of memorable BS dub lines.

So that means the Star Wars Christmas Special DID happen, and is a part of the Star Wars story, right?

That's not relevant to this issue.

[Fionordequester]

I don't care, that's not relevant to this issue.

Actually, I think it does in is case. You're essentially saying that you can use the old dialogue from before the Remastered versions when judging how good the old dub was, even though said dialogue was retconned from the old DBZ dub.

So if you say that the Christmas Special did happen, that means you're being consistent with your own logic at the expense of taking an unpopular position. But if you say the Special didn't happen, that means you're taking the popular position at the expense of contradicting your logical argument from earlier. Unless of course, you choose to take back what you said earlier.

So actually, I think it is relevant to the debate you, me, and Exor are having.

[ABED]

I don't care, that's not relevant to this issue.

Actually, I think it does in is case. You're essentially saying that you can use the old dialogue from before the Remastered versions when judging how good the old dub was, even though said dialogue was retconned from the old DBZ dub. So if you say that the Christmas Special did happen, that means you're being consistent with your own logic at the expense of taking an unpopular position. But if you say the Special didn't happen, that means you're taking the popular position at the expense of contradicting your logical argument from earlier. Unless of course, you choose to take back what you said earlier.

So actually, I think it is relevant to the debate you, me, and Exor are having.

We're not talking in universe. That dialog was written, performed, recorded, and then broadcasted and ultimately watched by millions. It is memorable, so it fits all the criteria for this thread. This isn't about canon.

[Fionordequester]

We're not talking in universe. That dialog was written, performed, recorded, and then broadcasted and ultimately watched by millions. It is memorable, so it fits all the criteria for this thread. This isn't about canon.

Well, it was my understanding that you were making a statement about the quality of the old dub, while mentioning retconned lines like "coloring inside the lines" in order to support your position. In that way, you were NOT merely talking about whether Freeza's lines qualified as BS lines are not. Am I wrong?

[ABED]

We're not talking in universe. That dialog was written, performed, recorded, and then broadcasted and ultimately watched by millions. It is memorable, so it fits all the criteria for this thread. This isn't about canon.

Well, it was my understanding that you were making a statement about the quality of the old dub, while mentioning retconned lines like "coloring inside the lines" in order to support your position. In that way, you were NOT merely talking about whether Freeza's lines qualified as BS lines are not. Am I wrong?

How did canon get dragged into this issue? This isn't about whether they exist in continuity of the series, it's about which lines are memorable. This isn't even some obscure dub either. The original dub counts when discussing issues of memorable dialog, good and bad.

[Fionordequester]

How did canon get dragged into this issue? This isn't about whether they exist in continuity of the series, it's about which lines are memorable. This isn't even some obscure dub either. The original dub counts when discussing issues of memorable dialog, good and bad.

But it does NOT count when discussing the actual quality of the old dub writing? Or does it?

[ABED]

How did canon get dragged into this issue? This isn't about whether they exist in continuity of the series, it's about which lines are memorable. This isn't even some obscure dub either. The original dub counts when discussing issues of memorable dialog, good and bad.

But it does NOT count when discussing the actual quality of the old dub writing? Or does it?

Yes, when discussing the quality of writing of the dub, both dubs count because they were both dubs.

[Fionordequester]

Yes, when discussing the quality of writing of the dub, both dubs count because they were both dubs.

Well, I don't agree with that. Because in the old dub, it's true that all the villains spoke in equally silly ways (from what I recall). In the Remastered dub however, most of the sillier lines were removed from guys like Nappa and Vegeta (such as Vegeta talking about Blutz Waves instead of calling Goku's dad a "brilliant scientist"). What that means is that Freeza actually DOES have a distinct voice in the Remastered dub since they didn't do much rewriting for anyone but Vegeta in Season 3. Therefore, since he has a distinct voice and personality, Lord Exor's argument about Freeza's characterization being valid is supported.

But...actually, I think I thought of something that might be helpful. I have a question for Lord Exor if he happens to be reading this. When you're discussing the pros of Freeza's character, do you have the Remastered dub in mind, or do you have the Old sub in mind? Because if you ARE talking about the Old dub, then I actually agree with a lot of the counterarguments at ABED made.

[precita]

A lot of old silly lines were kept in the redub. As I said, I found it baffling the "Mondo Cool" line wasn't removed especially when both Krillin and Vegeta re-did their performances, so it could have been easily scraped.

[Lord Exor]

Yes, when discussing the quality of writing of the dub, both dubs count because they were both dubs.

Well, I don't agree with that. Because in the old dub, it's true that all the villains spoke in equally silly ways (from what I recall). In the Remastered dub however, most of the sillier lines were removed from guys like Nappa and Vegeta (such as Vegeta talking about Blutz Waves instead of calling Goku's dad a "brilliant scientist"). What that means is that Freeza actually DOES have a distinct voice in the Remastered dub since they didn't do much rewriting for anyone but Vegeta in Season 3. Therefore, since he has a distinct voice and personality, Lord Exor's argument about Freeza's characterization being valid is supported.

But...actually, I think I thought of something that might be helpful. I have a question for Lord Exor if he happens to be reading this. When you're discussing the pros of Freeza's character, do you have the Remastered dub in mind, or do you have the Old sub in mind? Because if you ARE talking about the Old dub, then I actually agree with a lot of the counterarguments at ABED made.

The Remastered version.

A lot of old silly lines were kept in the redub. As I said, I found it baffling the "Mondo Cool" line wasn't removed especially when both Krillin and Vegeta re-did their performances, so it could have been easily scraped.

To call them silly is an embellishment. "Mondo cool" isn't very offensive, and it opens up a perfect opportunity for Vegeta to derisively mock his use of words. "I'm going to... slap some sense into you!" Well, that is rather absurd, but not in a way that would serve to corroborate any argument that Frieza's dialogue wasn't indicative of a distinct personality. The mordant repartee is fairly unique to Frieza in the dub, with other "silly lines" being deemed as such for disparate reasons.

[precita]

To call them silly is an embellishment. "Mondo cool" isn't very offensive, and it opens up a perfect opportunity for Vegeta to derisively mock his use of words.

Even Krillin saying that is weird. This is 1999, what people said, "Mondo" in the late 90''s?

Mondo is from the 80's.

[Lord Exor]

It's Krillin. Who cares? He says idiotic things as if it's his career.

[MajinMan]

To me it doesn't matter if the line "makes sense" or "fits in." If it wasn't said in the original, it shouldn't be in the dub. A few moments here and there are fine but the old dubs took far too many liberties and basically created their own versions of the characters.